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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:27 am 
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Yes, presentation affects our appreciate of a film, but, at least for this viewer, the presentation of Jodhaa Akbar on DVD takes away nothing from the experience of the movie.


on larger home screens, it does, it does!! ;-)

I am personally not so affected because I have a 29 inch Digital Reality TV and a robust DVD home system. But other fans are!! And I would be too if I go for any bigger screen!


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Commando303 wrote:
Yes, presentation affects our appreciate of a film, but, at least for this viewer, the presentation of Jodhaa Akbar on DVD takes away nothing from the experience of the movie.


on larger home screens, it does, it does!! ;-)

I am personally not so affected because I have a 29 inch Digital Reality TV and a robust DVD home system. But other fans are!! And I would be too if I go for any bigger screen!


I don't own a 100" screen, myself, and I suspect the vast majority of people don't. I guess those who do, can suck rope...


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:20 am 
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for tube tvs, upto, 29-21 inch, a good orig vhs or vcd might do too.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:45 am 
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Zoran009 wrote:
for tube tvs, upto, 29-21 inch, a good orig vhs or vcd might do too.


Certainly, though, without doubt, a good VHS will look inferior, on a 30" C.R.T. T.V., to a good D.V.D.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:10 pm 
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mhafner wrote:
Here it says Blu Ray in December from Sony
http://www.dvdfr.com/dvd/f150898_jodhaa_akbar.html


Seems like Bodega is authoring it and Sony is distributing it.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:36 pm 
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http://www.amazon.fr/Jodhaa-akbar-Blu-r ... 062&sr=8-5

and

http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/images/ ... 062&sr=8-5

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:43 pm 
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Commando303 wrote:
I don't own a 100" screen, myself, and I suspect the vast majority of people don't. I guess those who do, can suck rope...


Commando303, although mine is not quite 100", you can suck on my rope :P :fight:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:11 pm 
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Commando303 wrote:
I don't own a 100" screen, myself, and I suspect the vast majority of people don't. I guess those who do, can suck rope...

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Certainly, though, without doubt, a good VHS will look inferior, on a 30" C.R.T. T.V., to a good D.V.D.

The vast majority of Hindi DVD viewers are in India and the fact is that 13" - 21" 4x3 TVs form the bulk of the TVs sold in India to date. Thus as per your skewed logic DVDs ought to be manufactured and judged based on the results on a 13" - 21" 4x3 TV. Hmmm I suppose we ought to then be demanding Pan & Scan (4x3 Fool / Full Frame) transfers of 2.35:1 Indian movies. Actually if you think of it I don't think anyone would be able to truelly see any discernable difference between a VHS or a VCD or even a DVD at that size, specially if the movie is transferred in the 2.35:1 ratio.

I keep wondering, why those that keep speaking in support of the lowest common denominator and/or the most common denominator, atleast when it comes to home video, don't simply go buy the VHS or maybe VCDs and leave DVDs to those that really care about quality. The issue is not about a 100" screen, rather it is the fact that, even a Rs50 DVD from the likes of crap DVD maker, Moser Baer, outshines the Rs 450 Jodha Akbar DVD.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:58 am 
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Sanjay wrote:
Commando303 wrote:
I don't own a 100" screen, myself, and I suspect the vast majority of people don't. I guess those who do, can suck rope...

Commando303 wrote:
Certainly, though, without doubt, a good VHS will look inferior, on a 30" C.R.T. T.V., to a good D.V.D.

The vast majority of Hindi DVD viewers are in India and the fact is that 13" - 21" 4x3 TVs form the bulk of the TVs sold in India to date. Thus as per your skewed logic DVDs ought to be manufactured and judged based on the results on a 13" - 21" 4x3 TV. Hmmm I suppose we ought to then be demanding Pan & Scan (4x3 Fool / Full Frame) transfers of 2.35:1 Indian movies. Actually if you think of it I don't think anyone would be able to truelly see any discernable difference between a VHS or a VCD or even a DVD at that size, specially if the movie is transferred in the 2.35:1 ratio.

I keep wondering, why those that keep speaking in support of the lowest common denominator and/or the most common denominator, atleast when it comes to home video, don't simply go buy the VHS or maybe VCDs and leave DVDs to those that really care about quality. The issue is not about a 100" screen, rather it is the fact that, even a Rs50 DVD from the likes of crap DVD maker, Moser Baer, outshines the Rs 450 Jodha Akbar DVD.


Not quite: there's some middle ground between making a product that's good enough for the owner of a 13" black-and-white television and someone who's more interested in stellar technical details than in something that — despite the details — looks and sounds just fine (not "OK," but great). If the picture is soft, or the colors are off, or the sound is wrong, or the aspect-ratio is incorrect, or the disk skips, or this or that or something important, there's room for concern; if the release simply isn't anamorphic, and that doesn't affect your enjoyment of the film, there's no sense in complaining, especially not so pained and vocally.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:15 am 
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Not quite: there's some middle ground between making a product that's good enough for the owner of a 13" black-and-white television and someone who's more interested in stellar technical details than in something that — despite the details — looks and sounds just fine (not "OK," but great). If the picture is soft, or the colors are off, or the sound is wrong, or the aspect-ratio is incorrect, or the disk skips, or this or that or something important, there's room for concern; if the release simply isn't anamorphic, and that doesn't affect your enjoyment of the film, there's no sense in complaining, especially not so pained and vocally.

I'm not sure why is it so difficult for you to comprehend that it is not the technicality of the DVD not being enhanced for 16:9 that we are complaining about, rather it is the quite poor quality of the picture that the complaints are against. That the picture could have been much better if only the disc had been mastered with an enhanced for 16:9 video, is an altogether different matter. In plain simple English, the picture quality of the Jodha Akbar DVD is poor, regardless of the lack of 'enhanced for 16:9' mastering of the video and for the record the poor picture quality very much reduced my enjoyment of the movie. The Jodha Akbar DVD does not "despite the details", look and sound fine. I hope I have been able to make myself clearer now. If you think the quality was fine, that is your opinion, but quite clearly many of us do not hold the same viewpoint.


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Thanks, Deep. I just sent them an e-mail about my dissatisfaction with this DVD.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:21 am 
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Have u ever seen difference in amount of data on same dvd 9, anamorphic vs non anamorphic..same transfer?


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Sanjay wrote:
Commando303 wrote:
Not quite: there's some middle ground between making a product that's good enough for the owner of a 13" black-and-white television and someone who's more interested in stellar technical details than in something that — despite the details — looks and sounds just fine (not "OK," but great). If the picture is soft, or the colors are off, or the sound is wrong, or the aspect-ratio is incorrect, or the disk skips, or this or that or something important, there's room for concern; if the release simply isn't anamorphic, and that doesn't affect your enjoyment of the film, there's no sense in complaining, especially not so pained and vocally.

I'm not sure why is it so difficult for you to comprehend that it is not the technicality of the DVD not being enhanced for 16:9 that we are complaining about, rather it is the quite poor quality of the picture that the complaints are against. That the picture could have been much better if only the disc had been mastered with an enhanced for 16:9 video, is an altogether different matter. In plain simple English, the picture quality of the Jodha Akbar DVD is poor, regardless of the lack of 'enhanced for 16:9' mastering of the video and for the record the poor picture quality very much reduced my enjoyment of the movie. The Jodha Akbar DVD does not "despite the details", look and sound fine. I hope I have been able to make myself clearer now. If you think the quality was fine, that is your opinion, but quite clearly many of us do not hold the same viewpoint.


If the picture and sound were, in your opinion, noticeably poor, then, fine, but, in mine, certainly they were not. The vast majority of complaints that have been voiced here — even if you have taken it upon yourself to speak for them all — appear to be in revolt, almost exclusively, against the disk's non-anamorphic presentation. Clear enough for you?


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Yaar come on! It is a known universal fact, flaws are not much apparent on small screens vs glossy tube tvs.

So, a dvd 5/9? or anamorphic/Non, would not effect you much. But as I said Non anamorphic version of same disc will have 1/3rd less data too! So, when u watch on big screens, then all shortcomings of dvd 5 vs 9, anamorphic vs non, and all other sort of authoring( compression etc artifacts) become more apparent making video technically lousy and practically unlikeable!

So, for BOLLYWOOD DVDS, it is blessing to watch them on small, tube tvs, with tv speakers only as most of them are still raised them selves to that occasion only. When you do not or can not see bad it is 8) :lol:

But still if you guys want to argue and fight over Jodha good or bad? do so!

Imho, some times excellent/Good dvd can make up for a lousy film too! :D


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:04 am 
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Zoran009 wrote:
Imho, some times excellent/Good dvd can make up for a lousy film too! :D


I guess you've never tried to sit through Yaadein... — lol.

Zoran009 wrote:
But still if you guys want to argue and fight over Jodha good or bad? do so!


I think I'm finished arguing — I've said what I had to say.


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