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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:50 pm 
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How on earth can you expect JPEGS compressed at 85% to represent the true image quality from the blu ray disc, and yet you state the film is plagued with a lot of digital noise - you are basically killing any quality the BD has to offer plus your ADDING noise lol. i dont get how people think this rubbish is true to the actual product.


They're not meant to be representing 'true' or actual quality, screen shots can only ever be used as relative or a sort of indicative comparison.

The gripe here is that OSO is not as good HD material as it should be - I still believe if this Blu-ray was done by someone more competent then the video would be much better quality than indicated here (and even jpegs at 85% quality will show that). And I know there's a problem accepting that on face value unless someone else comes out with a much better quality Blu-ray of OSO - then again you can always put that down to 'advances in technology led to that better quality' instead of accepting that it should be done right the first time round :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:09 am 
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simba wrote:
How on earth can you expect JPEGS compressed at 85% to represent the true image quality from the blu ray disc, and yet you state the film is plagued with a lot of digital noise - you are basically killing any quality the BD has to offer plus your ADDING noise lol. i dont get how people think this rubbish is true to the actual product.

put the magnifying glass away and watch a BD the way its intended, from a kick ass plasma with an appropriate viewing distance - not 1-2ft from a computer monitor.


Hey, just because I bitched about your high eBay price. :lol:

Anyway, so would you rather I had uploaded the original untouched bitmap images and have everyone wait for 50 megabytes to download before we could look at them? As Ali said, the screenshots we post are for indicative purposes only. But even at 85% compressed, these JPEGs are near-identical to what the image actually looks like - I can't kill quality where there is none in the first place.

And I did watch the BD on a 42" 1080p plasma and wasn't impressed - the smearing caused by the DNR was clearly evident. No magnifying glass was needed. But I guess Eros are happy to believe you who don't mind or notice this kind of shoddy encoding are in the majority and will continue to eliminate all film grain on future BD releases.

Welcome to Zulm by the way. ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:00 am 
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will there be any european blu-ray releases of bollywood movies? :o *fingers crossed* lol
actually wait...wasnt lakshya and dil chahta hai going to be on blu-ray for sale in europe?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:53 am 
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simba wrote:
How on earth can you expect JPEGS compressed at 85% to represent the true image quality from the blu ray disc, and yet you state the film is plagued with a lot of digital noise - you are basically killing any quality the BD has to offer plus your ADDING noise lol. i dont get how people think this rubbish is true to the actual product.

put the magnifying glass away and watch a BD the way its intended, from a kick ass plasma with an appropriate viewing distance - not 1-2ft from a computer monitor.


Hey, just because I bitched about your high eBay price. :lol:

Anyway, so would you rather I had uploaded the original untouched bitmap images and have everyone wait for 50 megabytes to download before we could look at them? As Ali said, the screenshots we post are for indicative purposes only. But even at 85% compressed, these JPEGs are near-identical to what the image actually looks like - I can't kill quality where there is none in the first place.

And I did watch the BD on a 42" 1080p plasma and wasn't impressed - the smearing caused by the DNR was clearly evident. No magnifying glass was needed. But I guess Eros are happy to believe you who don't mind or notice this kind of shoddy encoding are in the majority and will continue to eliminate all film grain on future BD releases.

Welcome to Zulm by the way. ;)


Maybe, to keep some people happy, you could upload the uncompressed images externally and post a link on the forums?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:57 pm 
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Stephen wrote:
simba wrote:
How on earth can you expect JPEGS compressed at 85% to represent the true image quality from the blu ray disc, and yet you state the film is plagued with a lot of digital noise - you are basically killing any quality the BD has to offer plus your ADDING noise lol. i dont get how people think this rubbish is true to the actual product.

put the magnifying glass away and watch a BD the way its intended, from a kick ass plasma with an appropriate viewing distance - not 1-2ft from a computer monitor.


Hey, just because I bitched about your high eBay price. :lol:

Anyway, so would you rather I had uploaded the original untouched bitmap images and have everyone wait for 50 megabytes to download before we could look at them? As Ali said, the screenshots we post are for indicative purposes only. But even at 85% compressed, these JPEGs are near-identical to what the image actually looks like - I can't kill quality where there is none in the first place.

And I did watch the BD on a 42" 1080p plasma and wasn't impressed - the smearing caused by the DNR was clearly evident. No magnifying glass was needed. But I guess Eros are happy to believe you who don't mind or notice this kind of shoddy encoding are in the majority and will continue to eliminate all film grain on future BD releases.

Welcome to Zulm by the way. ;)


no offence taken :shock:
I think when ppl think of Blu Ray they expect crystal clear clarity, which is present on alot of Hollywood films aswell as Saawirya but, in comparison for example like 300 grain is clealy added for effect - plus grain and digital noise are different things im sure. Now dont twist my words and say that i think Eros has added the noise for effect :lol:

You guessed wrong dude, im not saying OSO was good quality, iv stated on avforums that its not totally upto scratch and that their high defintion transfer needs to be improved. In my book i dont regard or ever have considered Eros to produce high quality dvds but there BD effort isnt bad either. Its brilliant to what iv seen in the past from Eros :o

I wonder how UTV's BD effort will turn out with Jodhaa Akbar..... :shock:

What plasma you got btw mate?

Cheers for the welcome! 8)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:05 pm 
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simba wrote:
You guessed wrong dude, im not saying OSO was good quality, iv stated on avforums that its not totally upto scratch and that their high defintion transfer needs to be improved. In my book i dont regard or ever have considered Eros to produce high quality dvds but there BD effort isnt bad either. Its brilliant to what iv seen in the past from Eros :o


Fair enough. I'd certainly agree that compared to their previous DVD output, Eros' Blu-ray releases are far more watchable.

By the way, I didn't mean to say that the OSO BD has digital noise - it's digital noise reduction that's the problem in that there's too much of it. It's wiped away so much detail. If the image didn't have this problem, I would actually be praising the disc since all other areas seem perfectly fine. Colours, contrast and audio are all top notch.

My plasma is a Panasonic TH42PZ800, btw.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:08 pm 
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Stephen wrote:
simba wrote:
You guessed wrong dude, im not saying OSO was good quality, iv stated on avforums that its not totally upto scratch and that their high defintion transfer needs to be improved. In my book i dont regard or ever have considered Eros to produce high quality dvds but there BD effort isnt bad either. Its brilliant to what iv seen in the past from Eros :o


Fair enough. I'd certainly agree that compared to their previous DVD output, Eros' Blu-ray releases are far more watchable.

By the way, I didn't mean to say that the OSO BD has digital noise - it's digital noise reduction that's the problem in that there's too much of it. It's wiped away so much detail. If the image didn't have this problem, I would actually be praising the disc since all other areas seem perfectly fine. Colours, contrast and audio are all top notch.

My plasma is a Panasonic TH42PZ800, btw.


ah ok that makes sense! :shock:

top notch panny btw!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:37 am 
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DVNR! is a plague to video lol.

and yes! Stephen is right BR does look better than their previous USA release that sucked big time! So thats about improvement.? :( :shock:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:28 am 
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vjmajic2002 wrote:
will there be any european blu-ray releases of bollywood movies? :o *fingers crossed* lol
actually wait...wasnt lakshya and dil chahta hai going to be on blu-ray for sale in europe?

DCH master is still in the works. Patience, patience...


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:23 pm 
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OSO BD for sale at NehaFlix: http://store.nehaflix.com/omshombluray.html $19 not a bad price considering that the DVD was ~$22 when it was first released. I'm in no hurry to watch this (Saawariya put my off Indian movies for a while!)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:51 am 
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Muz wrote:
OSO BD for sale at NehaFlix: http://store.nehaflix.com/omshombluray.html $19 not a bad price considering that the DVD was ~$22 when it was first released. I'm in no hurry to watch this (Saawariya put my off Indian movies for a while!)

not bad people paid mega pounds to black marketers of zeros!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:51 am 
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DCH master is still in the works. Patience, patience...


I guess our dils will have to keep chahtaing :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:38 am 
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Got the disc today and gave it a 15 minutes spin. Preliminary impressions...
The good news: Not SD and better than any Eros DVDs (which is trivial to achieve)
The bad news: For 1080p HD decidedly mediocre.
The bit rate is high and not the issue. The master is the bottleneck. Effective resolution is stuck between
480p and 720p, closer to the latter. No 1080p detail anywhere. The master is also filtered and shows DNR
smearing (not massive but visible). The framing might be off at times (saw cut off heads). Color and contrast look ok. It's the lack of clarity and detail that brings this disc down. Nonetheless, far preferable to the DVD and certainly watchable. But can't hold a candle to Sawariya. Sivaji will also be better looking. Have not seen Heyy Babyy for
comparison.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:47 pm 
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mhafner wrote:
Got the disc today and gave it a 15 minutes spin. Preliminary impressions...
The good news: Not SD and better than any Eros DVDs (which is trivial to achieve)
The bad news: For 1080p HD decidedly mediocre.
The bit rate is high and not the issue. The master is the bottleneck. Effective resolution is stuck between
480p and 720p, closer to the latter. No 1080p detail anywhere. The master is also filtered and shows DNR
smearing (not massive but visible). The framing might be off at times (saw cut off heads). Color and contrast look ok. It's the lack of clarity and detail that brings this disc down. Nonetheless, far preferable to the DVD and certainly watchable. But can't hold a candle to Sawariya. Sivaji will also be better looking. Have not seen Heyy Babyy for
comparison.


I totally agree with you on one thing, audio/video is better than SD , but that does not make it good HD! :(

If some one did not spill their beans on US, laterz better UK edition and has BR capability then for $35 still a hard sell imho.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:33 pm 
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We had to wait for Blu-ray to finally get decent SD quality :roll:


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