Who agrees with me that this dvd has been subjected to a heavy dose of edge enhancement...

TTV version is indeed PP..I could make it progressive..by deleting the extra frame

What do you mean by "PP" (picture perfect)? Could someone now please post some shots from the TTE/TTV version (maybe even a few from T-Series's release)? I know there are some captures at http://zulm.net/modules.php?op=modload& ... e=&order=0, but you really can't compare these BEI grabs with those shots; the size, etc., would lead to a very unfair comparison. I mean, based on those BEI shots, the TTE/TTV is FAR superior; I doubt that that's the case. By the way, thanks for the BEI captures.

here you go Mr Commandos, take your pick!

Told you guys! Prog is not always better!

I dont know what da heck BEi did to that master!! besides DVNR!

I am keeping both!! not for Sale!

Actually, I think that the one frame that was captured on both versions (Amitabh with paan on face) shows that the quality of the two is pretty much the same. The other TTE/TTV captures look to be taken on static shots (i.e., ones wherein there is not much motion). That BEI grab of Meenakshi looks horrible, but that seems to be of an action shot. I don't know; maybe it's just that I don't want to pay more than twice as much to get the TTE/TTV version, but I don't think that it's vastly superior (if it is, indeed, superior at all) to the BEI release. How about the audio, guys? I hear that was the worst part of TTE/TTV's version; is the case the same with the BEI copy? If the BEI edition is actually inferior, I must say, I'm suprised. Isn't BEI just the new name of DEI? In my experience, DEI churned out some of the best looking Indian DVDs out there. Just a short while ago, I was watching "Deewaar" (1975), amazed by the brilliance and clarity of both the picture and the sound.

Rana!! Can you pls review both of your dvds, TTV vs BEI, and disregard to what these screen shots look it(motion, blurr shots)
give us your opinion re audio and video pls?thnx

Or any one else? out there? if you have both! ? compare and respond here!thnx

Could not believe what the two different sets of screen caps were implying and what Arsh said that TTE (Tip Top) version gives no combing:

Here is what I found from my set of Shahenshah DVDs:

TTE version definitely is Pseudo Progressive and not Progressive. If Arsh did not notice combing, then Video setting must have been on Auto Select or Force Bob. Or, may be, he noticed only those frames that give no combing (In Pseudo-Prog, 50% of frames give no combing).

BEI version is Progressive with Progressiove Flags avail.

Comparing video around the worst looking shot (above) from BEI DVD:
Side By Side Comparison:

Auto Select on Power DVD:

This sequence where AB just arrives at the Tabela/ Gambling House, BEI PQ is bad but TTE PQ is even worst. Notice that AB's eye/ eyes are barely visible in BEI DVD. In TTE DVD, it's visible in much less frames.

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It's just a coincidence that whatever shots Arsh picked from the BEI DVD were bad ones and TTE ones were better ones.

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Both TTE as well as BEI DVDs are made from same Telecine and even the opening to menu sequence is the same in both DVDs. Blast, with Dialog, "Kaun Ho Tum?? Rishte Mein To-----.
Bottom right hand corner has a small block of moving TTE logo in case of TTE DVD and moving BEI logo in case of BEI DVD.

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Audio is fake 5.1 in TTE DVD. Recall, Theatrical audio was Mono.
Audio is 2 Ch in BEI DVD.

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For a fair comparison, an exact same shot needs be compared from both DVDs. Differences are minisicule as both versions are from same Telecine and both have similar bit rate video. Only difference being, BEI DVD has same bit rate with 20% less fields needed and hence essentially is 20% higher bit rate.

I never said that TTV was PROG!

I did say Prog is not always better!

I picked shots random, not intentional bad parts!

How come same telecine, but prog dvd from BEI has bad ones that parts are good on TTV and viceversa? I fail to understand

both look like trash

Though I agree that many of those BEI shots look like hell, anything's an improvement over the VHS copy I've lived with for years. I hope, however, someone is able to post some side-by-side-comparison shots.

I said you said :

I didn't say that you said TTE is Progressive. I said, you said,"TTV version..even no combing!!"



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As I said, even the bad shot/ sequence from BEI, was even worst (more bad, less clarity) in TTE version. To clarify, concentrate on AB eye visibility in this sequence in both versions.

Rana!! Sahab!! those original TTV shots were not captured by me! so I dont know, How? they were captured, no combing or not!

TTV is NOT PROG! If your player has good 3:2 pull down and reverse! e.g with DCDI processor, you wont see any!

I did capture these BEI shots, indiscriminately in forceweave and in some motion scenes to show no combing..but I never knew they will come out so bad!!

folks,

just wondering if the TTV version is still available...
Also what is consensus on the better DVD, TTV or BEI. after reading the previous posts it seems BEI, actually did a hash of the DVD.

I just picked up the BEI version of Shahenshah, and was moderately pleased. Of course, it's miles above my old VHS copy, but, considering that this was a "DEI"/"BEI" release, I was a bit disappointed by the at-times soft picture; the audio, however, was perfectly adaquate almost throughout. Unfortunately, I don't have a TTE version of the film with which to compare quality, but I don't think that I'm compelled to go out trying to hunt one down, either; the BEI version doesn't warrant such an effort.

By the way, more important than "DVD quality," I still loved this film. Of the "not-great" 1980s Bachchan films, Shahenshah still stands as one of the best entertainers. One part that did somewhat make me uneasy: Meenakshi Sheeshadri's standing afront a bulldozer — make-up and clothing impeccable — speaking to the effect of, "yeh basti hum gareebon a ghar hai!"

Amitabh Bachchan=AWESOME.