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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:48 pm 
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mhafner wrote:
Well, one frame looks nice (the one we had already), the other is, sorry, DNRed crap. With frames like this a good quality BD that looks like film is not possible. Garbage in, garbage out. 4K is an utter waste for this kind of waxy DNR. I don't know what film makers are thinking when they ask for 4K and DNR like this. :(
Maybe they were better off with a HD camera instead, or a Genesis, a RED.


Now you can see the kind of DPX files I am working with. I am truly representing the film-maker vision.

Shankar is not a big fan of natural film grain. He likes smooth and glossy. Its his choice of film-making style and I have to respect it when doing the Blu-ray.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:01 pm 
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Couple of questions Sunny - if I'm not wrong, you'd said earlier that you don't work for Ayngaran - are you working on this title for the Blu-ray authorers?

Secondly, any idea when this might release? I haven't bought the DVD yet, so I might just wait for this instead.

And a final thing - any chance you can try and get Ayngaran to subtitle their special features?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:37 pm 
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Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
mhafner wrote:
Well, one frame looks nice (the one we had already), the other is, sorry, DNRed crap. With frames like this a good quality BD that looks like film is not possible. Garbage in, garbage out. 4K is an utter waste for this kind of waxy DNR. I don't know what film makers are thinking when they ask for 4K and DNR like this. :(
Maybe they were better off with a HD camera instead, or a Genesis, a RED.


Now you can see the kind of DPX files I am working with. I am truly representing the film-maker vision.

Shankar is not a big fan of natural film grain. He likes smooth and glossy. Its his choice of film-making style and I have to respect it when doing the Blu-ray.


I got the files saved to my hard-drive...will work on them soon, and show you my results a bit later...
Thanks for these 2 frames :)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:08 pm 
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bhaskar wrote:
Couple of questions Sunny - if I'm not wrong, you'd said earlier that you don't work for Ayngaran - are you working on this title for the Blu-ray authorers?

Secondly, any idea when this might release? I haven't bought the DVD yet, so I might just wait for this instead.

And a final thing - any chance you can try and get Ayngaran to subtitle their special features?


I do not work for Ayngaran. I am supervising this project (for Karuna) as a freelancer.
This Blu-ray version will not release until mid/late2008.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:53 am 
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PS...someone mentioned something about a classic movie getting reworked...

That name of the movie is Sholay...yes the old one :)
It will be released in May....with DTS & all the bells & whistles...PCM sound...etc etc.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:54 am 
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Also, YashRaj is reworking DDLJ for BluRay as well.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:33 am 
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FarooqBhai wrote:
PS...someone mentioned something about a classic movie getting reworked...

That name of the movie is Sholay...yes the old one
It will be released in May....with DTS & all the bells & whistles...PCM sound...etc etc.

Also, YashRaj is reworking DDLJ for BluRay as well.


And your source of this information?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:00 am 
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Its not Sholay. The DC will never release on blu-ray.
Too many legal complications surrounding it.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:57 am 
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Stephen wrote:
FarooqBhai wrote:
PS...someone mentioned something about a classic movie getting reworked...

That name of the movie is Sholay...yes the old one
It will be released in May....with DTS & all the bells & whistles...PCM sound...etc etc.

Also, YashRaj is reworking DDLJ for BluRay as well.


And your source of this information?


I have a friend in YashRaj...well, acquaintance. He'll go nameless.

As for Sholay - it is being released May 5th...pre-orders started already.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:05 am 
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FarooqBhai wrote:
As for Sholay - it is being released May 5th...pre-orders started already.


Pre-orders at where? :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:38 am 
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Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
mhafner wrote:
Shankar is not a big fan of natural film grain. He likes smooth and glossy. Its his choice of film-making style and I have to respect it when doing the Blu-ray.

Basically yes. But does Shankar understand that the difference between 2K and 4K is mainly how grain is resolved (it's sharper) and using 4K is pointless if you 'wax/smear' everything afterwards? Does he understand that there are cameras out there that are grainless and possibly much better suited to his vision? I don't presume he actually likes the waxy look and all the smearing and DNR artifacts. ?
He's in charge to make it look as he wants. Not my decicison. My decision is to not buy as I absolutely detest this look.
Concerning the other Blu Rays allegedly in the works (Sholay, DDLJ) I can only hope any restoration is done with knowledge and taste, to make the films look like a fresh print from the original negative would have looked back then, and not some digitally mutilated abomination with DNR and other artifacts all over the place.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:53 pm 
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This is Indian cinema. Not many understand how to get the best in the Medium. I blame his DOP technicians really, as they could have advised him.

Robo will be different. Ayngaran has big plans for that feature!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:52 am 
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For 2K versus 4K see
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/mag/v ... s_special/


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:02 am 
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mhafner wrote:
Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
mhafner wrote:
Shankar is not a big fan of natural film grain. He likes smooth and glossy. Its his choice of film-making style and I have to respect it when doing the Blu-ray.

Basically yes. But does Shankar understand that the difference between 2K and 4K is mainly how grain is resolved (it's sharper) and using 4K is pointless if you 'wax/smear' everything afterwards? Does he understand that there are cameras out there that are grainless and possibly much better suited to his vision? I don't presume he actually likes the waxy look and all the smearing and DNR artifacts. ?
He's in charge to make it look as he wants. Not my decicison. My decision is to not buy as I absolutely detest this look.
Concerning the other Blu Rays allegedly in the works (Sholay, DDLJ) I can only hope any restoration is done with knowledge and taste, to make the films look like a fresh print from the original negative would have looked back then, and not some digitally mutilated abomination with DNR and other artifacts all over the place.


I assume! clueless people do not and can not understand imho!

the above SS looks too bland for BR to y taste!


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