Thats a pleasant surprise. Even a few Hollywood BDs miss out on incorporating this for extras. Good work Mr Chandna.



Mr. Chandna, I hope and am sure as an active participating member of zulm, u must be reading this...... Please please please for heaven's sake;

Will u please let us all know what is stopping you to resolve these two issues on DEI-BHV Blu Rays? If we can do anything to help you in case you are pressurised from filmmakers/source providers, we will happily do.

We want intervals displayed and this I have already posted in another MNIK thread as to how and why it is important for us. It is high time you need to follow this (and only this) feature from yashraj who do this in all their BDs.

We want 'play all song' option - an issue in existence since the inception of your BDs. Someone posted somewhere that in UK etc, having a play all song option has an extra legal cost added to it. But u being India based shd not have this issue. What am i missing here?
You guys put in all your hard work towards ensuring that the sound mix is incorporated very well on the blu rays and we genuinely appreciate that. But what u shd also realise is that the sound quality can really work as demo material if u can just add this feature. When there is a party/friends gathering at home, there could be nothing better than listening to all songs by a single click on DEI authored Blu Rays.

My views on the two demands
First one - I think it is a nice to have feature and since it not a difficult thing to provide should be offered for bollywood BDs as songs in bollywood movies although in most cases irrelevant to the film have their own place for entertainment.

Second one - This is my personal opinion. I would rather not have the Interval/Intermission. To me, it somehow distracts the narrative. I can't avoid this in theater but would like to have a seamless viewing at home. This is also one reason I like IMAX theaters, they don't have intervals.

I am sorry to be pedantic about this, but this, 'keeping the interval', is not a "feature". As for the client requesting it, I am sorry but it ought to be the other way around, ie. the client should have to request that the interval be removed. Otherwise, in the normal state of affairs, the interval should be there like any other part of the film and it should be removed if and only if, the client specifically asks for it.

PS: The '3 Idiots' blu-ray is proof that the "clients" do not even bother to check if the menus on the disc, let alone any advanced functions, actually work. Therefore I seriously doubt, if they would even notice the presence of, or the lack of the interval.

That is really good to hear.

Having a forced interval, such as in the case of hollywood movies screened in Indian mutiplexes, is something I really dislike and it totally spoils the momentum and narrative of the movie. In fact, it is one of the many reasons I do not normally watch hollywood movies in the theater. But in movies which incorporate an intermission as part of the screenplay, deleting the 'intermission' is akin to modifying the original script and intent of the director. The intermission is an integral part of the narrative of the movie and in fact, more often than not, the exact moment of the intermission is written into the screenplay, with great care and deliberation, to enhance the dramatic effect. Thus removing it, truly damages the experience of the movie. Although, removing the interval, may or may not be as bad as modifying the original aspect ratio of a movie, it certainly is as bad, if not worse than using DNR to remove film grain. At the very least, it is definately contrary to the objective of trying to re-create the theatrical experience at home. Most importantly, like any other aspect of a movie, the interval/intermission point and even the logo are part of the original experience. Thus, like it or not, it is wrong to edit, delete or modify the interval/intermission point/logo.

In the director's commentary on the blu-ray of '3 Idiots', Raju Hirani talks about how, they, the writer/director/producer, deliberated quite a bit, on what point to have the intermission. In fact, they finally changed it from what was originally scripted. The importance of the interval and it being part of the creative aspect of the film, is quite clearly borne out by the creative deliberations and then the mention of it in the director's commentary. But, BIG Home Video in their infinite wisdom and I am sure without the knowledge or aproval of the director, have deleted the interval on the blu-ray and thus have changed, what the writer/director/producer considered a very important and integral part of the movie.

PS: Last night I watched 'The Sound Of Music' and the intermission or "Entr'acte", with it's own specially composed music playing during the "Entr'acte", was so much a part of re-recreating the original threatrical experience. It was an an experience that would have been totally destroyed had FOX removed the interval on the blu-ray. Can you imagine all the David Lean classics such as 'Doctor Zhivago', 'A Bridge On The River Kwai', 'Lawrence Of Arabia' etc being presented without the intermission and what a hell storm fans would raise if any hollywood studio had the nerve to delete the intermission?

This issue of 'intervals' being retained on home video, has been discussed earlier. -->Interval point in bollywood movies

+1......iam absolutely with you.......actually i was the one who started that thread.....and comming to 3 idiots....the interval point was really a thrilling point.....in the theatre i was wondering in the 5-10 minutes break who that person will be.....he doesn't looks aamir and there was a excitment.....or what ull say in hindi UTHSAAH that what will happen next....and guess what the point is deleted in the blu ray.....here they directly go and see that he is actually jawed jaafrey sitting....so it surely spoilt that scene......+ other issues also related to intervals are discussed in that thread.....

regards
divyansh

Sound of music! Is brilliant bluray;)

Try GWTW or Dr Zhivago for interval music etc

I am completely with you on this one. Some theaters show most of the ads and trailers in the beginning and then take a break for 5-10 mins followed by the full movie. I like such theaters.

Understand your point but I think taking a step back would help us to see the reasoning behind intermissions. Intermissions are forced intervals in theaters for various reasons including but not limited to break to relax in longer movies, bit of socializing, commercial interests, to release yourself, get some snacks and drinks essentially getting a break from the movie in a dark room. The film makers found this as an opportunity to pause the movie with something for the viewers to ponder about what is happening, any twists or turns etc to make sure they are still hooked into the movie,. It is like if you are telling a story to people and you need a break – you stop at a point which makes the listeners think about it during the break. The use of deliberate moments at intermission is more psychological than anything else. To enjoy such dramatic twists and turns you can also do without an intermission; example when you read a book. People tend to take a pause at a point they think they need to pause for a break or to ponder on what they have read so far.
In theaters, you can’t avoid the break even if you hate going out for a snack or break. Just because the director has deliberately put a dramatic moment that also to accommodate the forced break doesn’t seem to me as a good reason to have the intermission logo in DVD or BD.
The situation at home is completely different. You can stop and pause at your own convenience. The viewer has the total control with the number of breaks or the lack of it. Every member in your home may opt for their own break.
You don’t need a specific break at home and hence to me the Intermission logo actually makes no sense to me. It just interrupts the movie for me. The entire idea of director’s vision of Intermission at home doesn’t work at home although his intended dramatic scene works just like any other good scene in the movie.

Raju Hirani like many other directors in India will plan a dramatic point in the movie for the intermission. As I said, you need to give the audience something so that the effect of the movie and the narrative doesn’t snap rather lingers for 5-10 mins before the movie starts again. The scene would have remained in the movie anyway may be at a different time and the effect of that scene would be always the same if it is that dramatic.
Hence I beg to differ on the inclusion of the intermission point. However, I do agree that some may like to see that in the movie for reasons that I can’t explain.

“Overture” and “Entr’acte” in classics have a different background that has more relevance to theater stage readiness limitations and socio-economical state of that time. During those days, these were used to either changes in theater settings, costumes and acts, mood changes Such pieces of composition were well composed and can stand on their own. It used to work both for the actors as well as the audience. The audience used to remain occupied with classical music which had more to do with taste and culture above anything else. These pieces were equally received and appreciated and it was a great way to listen to these compositions.
Just think of this, if such pieces were not there do you think the value of such classic films would have lowered to any level? The Answer is ‘No’. But those being impressive compositions of their own, people would prefer having them either by calling it as a ‘re-creating the original theatrical experience’ or simply ‘enjoying great compositions’. The tradition is carried from stage and theaters to films more for the similar effect for audiences as with stage acts and theaters and had the least to do with the film itself. They were more of transitional effects from stage theaters to films...
I personally don’t see any similarity of Overtures and Entr’actes with Intervals in Bollywood movies. In fact with bollywood intervals in theaters, I hate to watch some random slides, pop music, people talking, kids shouting and pathetic ads during intervals which actually take away the mood of the movie further away from the audience. I therefore hate Intermission points in theaters and hate to see them in DVD and BD as they don’t add anything to my experience rather takes away the mood by introducing a frame of zero importance.

Such sequences as in 3I are tickling points for our brain but I fail to understand why an Interval is required for such scenes during home viewing. Perhaps you guys can explain me what you do when you see the intermission logo while viewing at home… Take a 5-10 min break? talk to others in the room about what is happening?, start pondering on your own on the story?…etc… essentially, How do you make Interval a part of your watching experience?

To me, the storytelling and narrative of a film should not depend on what the interval point is. A good story told in mature way can tickle my brain at multiple points but I prefer to carry on with the movie and the mood without getting distracted. The very moment where the obnoxious Interval logo comes in, it just takes me out of the mood created by the director in the movie.

Couldn’t find much debate on the thread you started.

As I said, this is my personal opinion and there is nothing called right or wrong. I'd be really interested to hear from you guys why you really want to see the Intermission point in DVD and BD. I am all ears...

I personally would prefer the Studios to get rid of the Intermission logo. It adds nothing but distraction.

Cheers

Ani

I like the interval / intermission pause for home viewing. I also hate the abrupt break of where the movie's intermission is cut on DVD/BD for the sake of the 'client'. Really if the client was that concerned wouldn't they have a special edit of the movie for home viewing so we don't have an abrupt cut from some dramatic music to a quiet scene?

Do I take a break during that point? Sometimes yes I do. I do hate knowing that the interval has been chopped - but I guess that comes from watching a lot of old movies and hating that there are scenes chopped without cause or question. (Call it Indian DVD trauma).

hindi movies are usually shot and edited and then interval is inserted at an appropriate place. DVDs usu go with the version without this part put in.

one movie that suffered from inappropriately placed interval was Khuda Gawah. Guess why?

IMO, intermission/interval cards are an important part of the screenplay and a break given by the director so that we get time to compile what happened in the pre-interval part.

And some intervals cards have some good animation/cinematography and music which must not simply just be chopped off. And sometimes they are in perfect places of the plot. They also include a part of the film which may be important.

Taking 'Sholay' as an example - in its intermission card, it shows Thakur walking away which, when removed, makes the shot incomplete.

If you take the example of HDDCS's intermission, it is the only part of the film which makes your subwoofer go crazy with heavy workout.

Intermission segments mustn't be removed!