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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:42 am 
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sengh_15 wrote:
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yep....... truth it is

..agreed Dharmendra knocked the pants off Srk


In and out m8, in and out

My apology! I was not hugely impressed! He was Ok! But on its on merits not comparing to CDI!

I liked Dharam better in brief role in JG though!


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:29 pm 
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and look at CRITIC's award , PANKAJ WAS UNDOUBTEDLY, UNCONTESTED WINNER for DHARM, and CHATRI CHOR, but I bet these film was not even considered. Dharm needed EXTRA NODE for BEST CRITIC AWARD film too!


There were many actors, directors and films that have simply been forgotten because they were not supported by the industry and critics. Pankaj Kapoor may even be forgotten after he's gone. I'm glad last year that this argument broke out about Dharm vs. Eklavya for the Oscar race. It shows that people are fighting back and are bringing it to the public's attention. They should do this every year until bollywood if forced to take notice.

It's the jury at these awards show who are to blame, they have a prejudice against any film outside the mainstream mumbai-based film industry. I believe many of them simply don't know what a good film is, they are more concerned with awarding films and performances that were popular with the masses.

There's an interesting article here about this subject.

http://www.ndtvmovies.com/newstory.asp? ... 0080041889

"Take any popular film award in India, it's headed by a jury that's completely film illiterate and absolutely star smitten. Our judges are such madcaps that they completely succumb to the populist cinema and box office success instead of acknowledging talent."

"Bollywood at its best is only a variety entertainment programme production industry. Only money and clout speak. Talent and potential get lost in the barrage of popular cinema."

"There's no dearth of good independent cinema in India, cinema that doesn't always cave into the irrational pressures of populist taste and the economy of blockbusters. Just that, these films are not able to rub shoulders with megastarrrer, multi-crore budget films and are forced to pale into insignificance due to lack of adequate recognition."

Straight to the point!

This writer has gutts and has nailed down the entire facts/processes!

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ollywood is full of arrogant empty heads

Bollywood at its best is only a variety entertainment programme production industry. Only money and clout speak. Talent and potential get lost in the barrage of popular cinema. Only those who can afford to build gaudy, cheap bungalows that resemble a cheap movie set, get to call the shots in this industry. In our industry's belief system the biggest hit becomes the best.

Look at Om Shanti Om. It's a copy of Karz which in itself was a copy of Reincarnation of Peter Proud. We are making copies of copies then one day we turn around to say don't call us Bollywood, that smacks of subservience to Hollywood. Really! I say we deserve to be called Bollywood only.


Man! EKLAVYA was chosen over DHARM, just because of BIG VS SMALL, GRANDIOSITY VS GENUINITY. Same BLACK VS HKA!

Thats the only reason we can never be proud of what we do.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:40 pm 
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Just a thought... South asians, myself included, are born and bred to critique and over analyze everything in sight. No other populace in the world holds such widely 'holier than thow' views about its local cinema. I'll admit that the success of numerous films in Hindi cinema has often baffled my mind. I wish and pray they didn't succeed because then Mumbai churns out lots more of the same. But at the same time, we should respect the tastes (however horrible :lol: ) of others, and recognize that Bollywood only provides what the general public wants... otherwise, their films would not succeed.

Notice how you rarely hear Americans complain en masse about the success of films like Alvin and the Chipmunks, The Chronicles of Narnia, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Cloverfield and 95% of Adam Sandler's movies? You can't possibly expect me to believe that if these were Hindi movies, we wouldn't be tearing them to shreds, and complaining about the state of Hollywood filmdom. There's limited originality and impressiveness there too. Just a ton more financing.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:34 pm 
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ali_ikram wrote:
Just a thought... South asians, myself included, are born and bred to critique and over analyze everything in sight. No other populace in the world holds such widely 'holier than thow' views about its local cinema. I'll admit that the success of numerous films in Hindi cinema has often baffled my mind. I wish and pray they didn't succeed because then Mumbai churns out lots more of the same. But at the same time, we should respect the tastes (however horrible :lol: ) of others, and recognize that Bollywood only provides what the general public wants... otherwise, their films would not succeed.

Notice how you rarely hear Americans complain en masse about the success of films like Alvin and the Chipmunks, The Chronicles of Narnia, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Cloverfield and 95% of Adam Sandler's movies? You can't possibly expect me to believe that if these were Hindi movies, we wouldn't be tearing them to shreds, and complaining about the state of Hollywood filmdom. There's limited originality and impressiveness there too. Just a ton more financing.


All valid! btw I saw ELIZBETH THE GOLDEN AGE finally( on HD DVD) ofcourse) and I would say even not as good as prequel, it was way more engrossing film than JA.and I thought critics ripped that apart. In every sections it was miles ahead!

Cate Blanchet was simply tremendous! I did like Geoffery Rush plus King Philips character! Good view!


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:46 pm 
Zoran009 wrote:
sengh_15 wrote:
mowgli wrote:
sengh_15 wrote:
yep....... truth it is

..agreed Dharmendra knocked the pants off Srk


In and out m8, in and out

My apology! I was not hugely impressed! He was Ok! But on its on merits not comparing to CDI!

I liked Dharam better in brief role in JG though!

..Zoran009 sorry to hear that
..Sengh_15 this is g8 comeback for Dharmendra in Apne he Rox


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