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 Post subject: Re: T-SERIES
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:39 pm 
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It looks that way New Deep,You are in India so I guess you could have a word with them about this and tell them to use GOLD MEDIA, Not only that there transfers of HUM and SHAHENSHAH were also rubbish If you could do this I would be greatful to you
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 Post subject: Re: T-SERIES
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:20 am 
Thanks Jat for sharing your experience :) about T-Series, they have joined the rotten lemons vs, baba, sky - NewDeep i'm referring to one Do Shikari that froze half way there were scenes playing over other scenes- terrible transfer .


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 Post subject: Re: T-SERIES
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:14 am 
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I must admit I am new to the issue of silver media vs gold media. Would need your guidance - thanks jat1.

Which other dvd companies use silver media?


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 Post subject: Re: T-SERIES
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:35 pm 
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Hi New Deep :) the other comanys that used siver media was VIDEO SOUND INC USA Indian DVD's are cheap they sell DVD's at around 200/ 300 Rupess Each and I dont think they could afford to use Gold media and sell them at that price above
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 Post subject: Re: T-SERIES
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:01 pm 
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Thanks jat1.

Here are some notes for everyone -- can jadoo/urbanlegend/ali change the name of this topic to say "T-Series AND Silver Media vs. Gold Media"

Looks like the one advantage silver media has over gold is "increased reflectivity"

http://www.supermediastore.com/dvdmediafaq.html
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What does it mean by Gold, Silver, Blue DVD-R?
A: Usually using the industry standard the Gold, Silver, and Blue DVD-R are referring to the non-recording surface of the DVD media. Such as Optodisc Gold, Optodisc Silver and Optodisc Blue. In many cases it is an additional layer that is printed on the DVD-R disc by the manufacture. It is only there so that consumers may be able to write on the disc using a magic marker or pencils.


http://www.mam-a.com/technology/technic ... _gold.html
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MAM (brand) Silver & Gold CD-R are of the same quality, but there are some differences in "performance". Gold media has a much longer expected lifetime than silver. Many people use the gold for archival applications to ensure the longest life possible. Some audio professionals prefer the gold because it "sounds better".*

The silver media has a slightly higher reflectivity than gold (70% vs. 75%), but except in rare cases, there is no functional difference. (Some players/readers use older pickups & don't deal with CD-R media very well, so the higher reflectivity helps).


http://www.prodisc.com.au/Articles/CDan ... fault.aspx
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A gold or silver reflective layer is applied under a vacuum. This layer reflects the laser beam when reading the CD. For economic reasons, silver has gradually replaced gold so as to reduce the cost of the end product as well as increase the reflectivity.
Nevertheless, CD-RÂ’s with silver rather than gold layers have a shorter lifespan.


http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl ... 2&from=rss
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"Unlike pressed CDs/DVDs, 'burnt' CDs/DVDs can eventually 'fade,' due to five things that affect the quality of CD media: sealing method, reflective layer, organic dye makeup, where it was manufactured, and your storage practices (please keep all media out of direct sunlight, in a nice cool dry dark place, in acid-free plastic containers; this will triple the lifetime of any media)."


http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/ ... val-media/
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The silver and aluminum alloys used in virtually all blank CD/DVD media has one major issue, requiring the manufacturer to lacquer a protective seal over the entire disc: silver and aluminum oxidize when they hit air, turning the normally reflective layer into silver or aluminum rust. Some (very expensive) media uses gold instead which doesn’t oxidize, however DVD media cannot use gold due to design issues (not true anymore, see update below). Today, only the cheapest of the cheap media has severe issues with sealing practices (as such, avoid any media made outside of Japan and Taiwan; especially avoid media made in India.

That said, I recommend Taiyo Yuden media across the board. Taiyo Yuden currently manufactures 52x CD-R, 16x DVD-R, and 8x DVD+R media in normal shiney silver, inkjet printable, and thermal printable forms. Taiyo Yuden may be one of the most expensive (if not the most expensive), but their media quality is unsurpassed. Taiyo Yuden (currently) does not produce any dual layer media. Also, as I mentioned earlier, I recommended buying from SuperMediaStore.com as they are the only online US distributor that guarauntees that their Taiyo Yuden media is certified as coming from Taiyo Yuden.

However, for those that absolutely require dual layer media, Verbatim produces DVD-R DL and DVD+R DL, however, due to the fact DL media costs over twice as much as two single layer discs, I recommend you only use single layer unless you really, really need a single disc.

So, what am I using? Due to Taiyo Yuden’s superior media quality, and DVD+R’s superior design, I use only Taiyo Yuden DVD+R media. I recommend this media to everyone who wishes to keep their data for a long, long time.


Last edited by newDEEP [go-green] on Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:37 am, edited 2 times in total.

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 Post subject: Re: T-SERIES
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:10 pm 
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Also there is Dual layer media which gives you more time its need for Bollywood movies because the movies are nearly 3hrs long before Lagan was on 2 DVD's in 2002 back then I dont think there was Dual layer media, Great info posted New Deep
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 Post subject: Re: T-SERIES
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:01 pm 
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Yes, I concur about T-series. I special ordered Ek Din Bahu Ka on DVD (which ended up being on T-series) along with some other titles at linuxbazar.com. Not one decent quality transfer in the bunch. Add Nupur to that list of stinkers. I've never seen such horrible picture on a film. Absolutely disgusting.


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 Post subject: Re: T-SERIES
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:17 pm 
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There are actually some pretty decent transfers from t-series... the silver-media thing is a cause of concern though.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:34 am 
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thx jadoo for modifying the topic name...

One more way to ensure your dvds stay good is to store them not flat but as books in shelves -- so that the disc is always standing perpendicular to earth, if you know what I mean.


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Here's some info contributed by a DVD brand/manufacturer in India:
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the media color (should have) no impact on the picture or sound quality though the readability is known to be better on Silver media because of its better reflectivity over others but the deterioration of the media is more a function of how the disc was made- the technology of machine to what bonders and lacers are used and also the thickness and quality of plastic.

A little known fact is that the on-body printing too effects the life, vegetable inks are recommended but slightly more expensive than the toxic ones that are usually found on most Indian replicated discs.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:20 pm 
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New Deep, They are going to say that so the silver DVD's sell and as I said before they dont want to spend extra money and upgrade to Gold Media so they are fooling people
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:22 pm 
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thx jadoo for modifying the topic name...

One more way to ensure your dvds stay good is to store them not flat but as books in shelves -- so that the disc is always standing perpendicular to earth, if you know what I mean.


good stuff to know - darn my dvds are flat stacked dvds :( gotta rearrange them


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jat1 wrote:
New Deep, They are going to say that so the silver DVD's sell and as I said before they dont want to spend extra money and upgrade to Gold Media so they are fooling people
JAT
Let's R&D a lil more -- what do you say -- I think the note shared by the dvd manufacturer was quite "honest" :-)

The note the same person shared about the "little known fact" -- "on-body printing too effects the life, vegetable inks are recommended but slightly more expensive than the toxic ones that are usually found on most Indian replicated discs" -- led me to the following (quite shocking) discovery:
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While the lacquer-related manufacturing problems have been resolved, one should protect the label side of their CDs from damage: the label side, rather than the clear side, is the most vulnerable.
at http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/opticalmedi ... -How-49575


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For long-term disc storage, it may sometimes be prudent to remove the label insert or booklet from inside the case and attach it to the outside, perhaps in a sleeve. In theory, the paper can attract moisture and produce higher moisture content in the case. The paper may also spread moisture by contact with the disc. This recommendation is based on no specific tests of the effects of paper inside a case; it is merely a consideration—one that takes on added significance with large amounts of paper inside a disc case and higher-than-recommended humidity conditions.

http://www.clir.org/PUBS/reports/pub121/sec5.html


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