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If necessary it will be BR and BD+. No DCH for the pirates.


Doesn't make an announce of difference what format it is on, BR, BD+ or chacha420HDBD++ - if it can be played it will be pirated, it's as simple as that.

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if its DCH, knowing the indian trends, someone will play it back on their tv and record with a camcorder in their living room.


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...the camcoder will be the latest 1080p shit :rofl:

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ali wrote:
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If necessary it will be BR and BD+. No DCH for the pirates.


Doesn't make an announce of difference what format it is on, BR, BD+ or chacha420HDBD++ - if it can be played it will be pirated, it's as simple as that.

Ali


We'll see about that. :wink:
No release is also an option.


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...the camcoder will be the latest 1080p shit :rofl:

Ali


4K Red Camera. Pirates will release 4K version filmed off crappy LCD and mastered at 5 Mbit/s on DVD.
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No release is also an option.


If they delay releasing (any) movie so long then most people will lose interest anyway. I assume they chose this movie as it was a 'hit' and shot with the right HD already, and therefore a good movie to make some money on.

But the longer a film gets delayed to release, the less people will want it anyway. How many years old is this film already? 6 years It's not getting any younger sitting on the shelf. It is hardly an all time 'evergreen' classic either that people will want to buy for nostalgic reasons (ie Pakeeza coloured version).

Anyone who likes DCH will already own the DVD. To make inroads into a new format, if they are serious about making money they most start making new films in the format. Hollywood is making parrallel releases of the newest movies, to help build the format.


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Good point - I am waiting for DCH to be released on HD/BR before making the jump to buy a player.

But I am a little sick of waiting and will probably opt to buy the Elite DVD if I have to wait much longer. (BTW - Pakeezah is already in colour - it was released in colour - but if someone ever released this in a HD format then I would be out at the stores in a flash to get this film and a player to play it!)

I recently got the SD DVD of Volver - and I must admit that using an upscaling DVD player - it looked flawless on my HD display.


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Muz wrote:
Good point - I am waiting for DCH to be released on HD/BR before making the jump to buy a player.

But I am a little sick of waiting and will probably opt to buy the Elite DVD if I have to wait much longer. (BTW - Pakeezah is already in colour - it was released in colour - but if someone ever released this in a HD format then I would be out at the stores in a flash to get this film and a player to play it!)

I recently got the SD DVD of Volver - and I must admit that using an upscaling DVD player - it looked flawless on my HD display.


I agree, a well done SD, upscaled via REON CHIP(REALTA) to 1080P is steller looking.


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An interesting article in Popular Mechanics about HDTVs!!

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... 16631.html

Fact vs. Fiction, Hi-Def Style
We untangle television invention from reality—manual-free.
By Pete Putman Popular Mechanics Published in the June 2007 issue.

High-definition television (HDTV) has evolved from an early-adopter indulgence to a mainstream technology in less than a decade. Enthusiasm for HD everything is driving the sales of flat-panel TVs and has inspired a next-gen DVD format war. It’s showing up in camcorders and on your local TV news.

Yet HDTV remains a widely misunderstood technology, muddled with misconceptions and half-truths born of marketing mumbo jumbo and senseless jargon. The advertised specifications read like bewildering math¬ematical equations with “variables” such as 1080i, 720p, 4:3, 1080p and 16:9. To clear the air of confusion we’ve examined some of the most wrongheaded bits of received wisdom in the world of HD.

Myth #1
You need a cable or satellite TV subscription to watch HDTV programs.

Fact: If you live in or near a city, it’s likely there are several over-the-air local TV stations broadcasting HDTV programs, which you can watch for free. ABC, Fox, NBC, CBS, PBS and CW networks all offer HDTV programming (local HD listings are available at antennaweb.org). You can receive them with the tuner in your HDTV set or an external DTV set-top receiver, but you need an external HD antenna.

Myth #2
You can buy a flat-panel HDTV with 1080i resolution.

Fact: Much of the confusion on this one comes from the difference between broadcast formats and display resolution. Some networks broadcast using a 1080-line “interlaced” (refresh every other line every other frame) signal, while others broadcast a 720-line “progressive” (refresh every line every frame) signal. But all flat-panel TVs display video progressively, regardless of the source signal. The way to assess the resolution of a plasma or LCD set is to check its total pixel count (e.g., 1280 x 768, 1920 x 1080, etc.).

Myth #3
HD video can’t be recorded to regular DVDs.

Fact: Yes it can. New blue-laser discs such as Blu-ray and HD-DVD have high capacities, up to 50GB, but conventional red-laser DVDs can hold hi-def, too. Recording capacity is about 30 minutes for an HD program with the MPEG-2 digital compression system in widespread use today. But efficient codecs such as MPEG-4 and Windows Media can fit entire HD movies onto conventional DVDs that play back on computers and some DVD players.

Myth #4
A 1080p TV is always better than a 720p TV.

Fact: A 1080p set (one with at least 1920 x 1080 pixels) does have higher resolution than a 720p (at least 1920 x 780) set. But the importance of those extra pixels depends on the size of your TV and the distance you are away from it. If you are sitting more than 8 ft. from a 42-in. HDTV or more than 10 ft. from a 50-in. set, you won’t notice the difference. If you mostly watch standard-def TV and DVDs, an expensive 1080p set makes no sense — a 720p set will work fine.

Myth #5
An HDTV set auto¬matically converts all programs it receives to HDTV.

Fact: HDTVs can stretch a stand¬ard definition (SDTV) image to fit their screens, but they can’t magically add resolution. Since SDTV has only 720 x 480 pixels, hi-def TVs tend to magnify the fuzziness of standard-def video — sometimes making it look worse than it would on a non-HDTV set.

Myth #6
All flat-panel televisions are high-definition.

Fact: To make sure you get HD resolution, you need to do pixel math. Many 42-in. plasma TVs are sold with 1024 x 768 pixels. But the two high-definition broadcast standards are 1280 x 720 (720p) and 1920 x 1080 (1080i). So 1024 x 768 plasmas give you only 85 percent and 38 percent of the pixels, respectively.

Myth #7
To get the best-quality HD, you need expensive cables.

Fact: Not true. If the cables running from your DVD player or cable box aren’t particularly long, you should be fine with inexpensive video cables. The extra shielding in expensive cables that prevents interference in analog equipment won’t improve the image of digital video through HDMI or DVI cables — the signal either comes through or it doesn’t. And the savings can be huge: 6-ft. HDMI cables range from $20 to $160.

Myth #8
HDTV means consistent picture quality.

Fact: Definitely not true. To transmit HDTV programs, cable system operators, satellite com¬panies and over-the-air broadcasters compress their signals. And some shows are compressed more than others. To fit more programming into existing bandwidth, broadcasters often take a channel designed for one HD program and squeeze multiple SDTV and HDTV programs into it. That can lead to squirmy backgrounds and other compression “artifacts.” Unfortunately, there’s not much that average viewers can do about this — except to complain to their cable or satellite providers.

Myth #9
All 1080p HDTVs accept 1080p input signals.

Fact: There are a few “1080p” HDTVs out there that have 1920 x 1080 pixels and can display 1080i television signals, but can’t accept an external 1080p signal from a scaling DVD player or HD-DVD and Blu-ray players. Always check the manufacturer’s specifications for signal compatibility.

Myth #10
Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs always offer the highest possible resolution.

Fact: That depends on how the discs were mastered from the original movie. Some discs are transferred from an early-generation digital copy, while others are scanned from a later-generation film print of poorer quality. There’s no labeling on the Blu-ray or HD-DVD packaging to give customers a quantitative measure of relative video quality, but it’s worth scanning reviews on enthusiast Web sites.


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Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs always offer the highest possible resolution.

Fact: That depends on how the discs were mastered from the original movie. Some discs are transferred from an early-generation digital copy, while others are scanned from a later-generation film print of poorer quality. There’s no labeling on the Blu-ray or HD-DVD packaging to give customers a quantitative measure of relative video quality, but it’s worth scanning reviews on enthusiast Web sites.


and ladies and gentlemen, Hindi dvds defeat all norms of bad transfers


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I agree, a well done SD, upscaled via REON CHIP(REALTA) to 1080P is steller looking.

It looks ok. There are hardly any DVDs that have not obvious flaws, though. And 100% lack the resolution of even mediocre HD. 95% have EE and mosquito noise etc. DVD is dead for me concerning new purchases. If I must I rent.


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No release is also an option.

If they delay releasing (any) movie so long then most people will lose interest anyway.

Come on. People who love the film or just wanted to see it bought the DVD or downloaded ages ago. People that buy the HD now (if it were around) love the film and it does not matter if it comes in 2 weeks, 2 months or 6 months. In 6 months more will buy anyway since the player base is bigger. It makes little sense to relase at the moment and in 2 weeks everybody can download the HD while the people who invested a lot into the restoration see no penny. The DVD comes first. The HD later, whenever that is.


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In 6 months


More people will be able to download and copy easier.
The price of Blu ray blanks etc will fall.
Home download speeds will get cheaper and faster.
Better codecs will be released.

Waiting for a time when something can't be pirated, is waiting for a time that won't happen. The longer you wait there more methods there are to pirate.


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No release is also an option.

If they delay releasing (any) movie so long then most people will lose interest anyway.

Come on. People who love the film or just wanted to see it bought the DVD or downloaded ages ago. People that buy the HD now (if it were around) love the film and it does not matter if it comes in 2 weeks, 2 months or 6 months. In 6 months more will buy anyway since the player base is bigger. It makes little sense to relase at the moment and in 2 weeks everybody can download the HD while the people who invested a lot into the restoration see no penny. The DVD comes first. The HD later, whenever that is.


I don't agree at all - as a healthy purchaser of DVDs I must admit that if I buy anything now on DVD I will not be replacing it with a HD DVD of the same movie unless the original was very sub-par. If there is a DCH HD master this should be released now to get in on the novelty of being the first Indian HD / BR DVD.


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Muz wrote:
If there is a DCH HD master this should be released now to get in on the novelty of being the first Indian HD / BR DVD.


That first Indian HD DVD (or blu ray), will sell bucket loads as everyone will want it to test the system. Early adopters of expensive hardware have the money for originals! By very nature they already pay over the odds for new technology.

It's the people who join a mature format that are cheap! :P


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mhafner wrote:
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No release is also an option.

If they delay releasing (any) movie so long then most people will lose interest anyway.

Come on. People who love the film or just wanted to see it bought the DVD or downloaded ages ago. People that buy the HD now (if it were around) love the film and it does not matter if it comes in 2 weeks, 2 months or 6 months. In 6 months more will buy anyway since the player base is bigger. It makes little sense to relase at the moment and in 2 weeks everybody can download the HD while the people who invested a lot into the restoration see no penny. The DVD comes first. The HD later, whenever that is.


my only reason to be with hd dvd was dch coming out and xbox add on, to 360. otherwise software wise I am happy with blue ray/ps3.

but darn dch keeps on delaying. if pq is like teledega knights, i'll pass, but in the long run, I am positive hindi dvds will be upconverted SD onto HD DVD via some free bee software etc and on single layer, bomb media discs, dooming the superiority of higher def format.


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