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Guest Editorial: The Secrets of HDMI
By Raj Nair — on page 160-162 of the March 2007 issue
Keywords: HDMI




What the consumer doesn't know just might hurt him. Have you come across DVD players at $29, or even as low as $19, and wondered why cables to connect them to HDTVs are 10 times as expensive? Finding a digital versatile disc player with its sophisticated optoelectronics and mechanical systems for $19 seems like magic.

It's not magic though. It's volume production, the beauty of commerce, benefiting the consumer. What doesn't make sense to me is the cost of the cable to connect such a useful device to a television. It is akin to having to pay 10 times what you pay for a soft drink for the straw you use to sip it.

It Began with USB
Do you remember advertisements indicating that if you buy the "better" USB cable for your printer, print quality will be better? All digital data transmissions are prone to bit error rate (BER).

That relates to picture quality, and presumably, the "better" cables offered lower BER. But when USB 2.0, at 40 times the 12-Mbp initial rate came along, the specification asserted that the very same cables could be used for the much higher speed version!

Any cable designed for 12-Mbp transmission of digital data that is also found good for 480 Mbps probably lacked nothing in quality in the first place, and a "better" cable couldn't have given the consumer any more discernible value.

As for audio cables, the art form of duping simple consumers has descended into great depths of sleaze.

High-definition multimedia interface (HDMI) evolved from another interface termed digital visual interface (DVI) developed primarily as a connectivity link between personal computers and digital displays such as LCDs. DVI and HDMI are promoted by select groups of companies.

There is perhaps no consumer representation in the development of these interfaces, nor are there any regulations controlling the development of yet another consumer digital, serial interface. Companies claim to know what consumers want, which is perhaps why we have HDMI cables that cost $199.95 for a 16-foot length.

The lack of industry-wide standardization of such interfaces and, more specifically, the lack of cable/interconnect performance standards for such interfaces creates confusion, and opportunities to profit at the consumer's expense.

For example, when DVI 1.0, was released by the Digital Display Working Group in 1999, it effectively eliminated signal pre-conditioning, restricting transmitted signal quality while requiring very high data rates over long cable lengths. It also did not require well-known electronic compensation techniques within the receiver end electronics. In other words, the specification appears, by accident or design, to burden the link cable.

So how was the consumer affected? A confusing variety of cables for a wide range in cost appeared, all claiming conformance and many claiming to be "better." Cable manufacturers claimed the need for sophisticated materials and manufacturing, driven by a specification placing the burden upon interconnects.

Vendors also confuse consumers with their co-axial, twin-axial, dual-shielded and triple-shielded cables. But do HDMI cables have to be double- and triple-shielded in such manner, when data is transmitted through wire pairs within in low-swing, differential, low-EMI manner?

Studies conducted very recently at ComLSI show that unshielded Cat 5e cabling can be just as good from a signal transmission and reception perspective over 25-meter lengths. Prior work disclosed by Intersil goes further, discussing SXGA video transmission over 300 meters of Cat 5 cabling.

Some companies even tell you that silver-plated wires within cables make video signals flow better. But silver is only marginally more conductive than copper! And plating only helps with what is called skin effect, which is a minor factor at very high data rates.

On the Flip Side …
Ahead of the fatuous marketing efforts discussed this far, a recent development also includes an effort to stuff sophisticated electronic circuits into the assembly of an HDMI cable. A video of this "innovation" may be viewed at CEPro.tv. The company featured would have you believe that HDMI-qualified cables from established vendors generate hundreds of pixel errors they incorrectly call "pixelation" continually visible on-screen.

Sorry. Video images with hundreds of consistent pixel errors correspond to a BER of at best 100 in 2 million, at least three orders of magnitude worse than the DVI specification of one error in 1 billion.

Could a manufacturer have supplied an HDMI-certified cable with such performance? And no, I do not think removing sophisticated electronic circuits easily integrated into chips at either system end of a typical HDMI link and stuffing them into connectors in the cable is lower cost, higher reliability, easier to use or of better quality. Do you?

The HDMI specification has come a long way from its DVI roots, including necessary circuit techniques such as source-termination and sink-equalization that can effectively compensate for cable inadequacies at HDMI 1.3 maximum data rates.

There is, therefore, no need to believe cable vendors touting strange advancements in their cables … simple Cat 5 cables can do the job. In fact, Cat 5 and Cat 6 cables have the necessary standardization and design maturity ensuring optimality for high-speed data transfer. As a practical matter, such Ethernet cables have addressed mechanical locking to systems chassis and snag-free use, aspects unaddressed as of yet by HDMI.

10GBase-T developments also indicate feasibility of HDMI data rates over 100m of Cat 5e, supporting the argument that HDMI cables should be cheap. Recent cable and system studies conducted at ComLSI support this conclusion.

Rather than a DVD player free with an HDMI cable, every HDTV system ought to come with a free HDMI cable!

Raj Nair is an engineer with ComLSI, Inc. (http://www.comlsi.com), a Mesa, Ariz.-based company developing Analog IP for the high-speed communications and power management areas.

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The best place for all your cable needs!!

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well after so long finally that email I was waiting for.....my Playstation 3 has been despatched! I should have it in 3-5 days! (although I'm away for about a week so can't play it till I get back).

But as I'm going to the states I'm gonna pick up a few region free Blu Ray movies to test it out when I get back.

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I had no issues so far with my PS3 and BR discs.


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 Post subject: To all PS3 owners..
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What do you think is the coolest thing about owning PS3 instead of standalone Blu-Ray player?

To me, it is the downloading of FREE HD trailers from PlayStation Store. :)


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I had a 60G, and on upgrade via wireless, it failed reading some BR movies, I exchanged for 20GB, never upgraded to 1.5 or 1.51, till 1.54, that I did with wired internet connection, and 1.54 and running while 1.6 is imminent.

yup, I downloade GHOST RIDER..amazing PQ/sound


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kits wrote:
What do you think is the coolest thing about owning PS3 instead of standalone Blu-Ray player?

To me, it is the downloading of FREE HD trailers from PlayStation Store. :)


Price, HDMI 1.3, upgradability, raw processing power, gaming. 8)


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The new Apple TV that came out has HDMI and component output. Would this mean you would be able to play HD videos without having them compressed?


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Hi, Sony has launched a new 70'' SXRD tv in India as KS-70R200A. Is it the same as KDS-R70XBR2? Both TV's look the same? Would there be any so called green blob issue in the tv launched in India?
Please Help..... I've tried calling up sony but there's no response from them?
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for u sanjay, check sony india, sony claims it is 1080P pannel


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hi all just splurged on a PS3 today .. just not too sure if i should keep this or get the new xbox 360 elite with a (seperate purchase) hd-dvd drive. can u anyone help me out?

does the PS3 upconvert?
i heard it doesnt show bd movie in 720p, only 480p or 1080i, true?
any benefits of ps3 over x360? or vice versa?
i personally think bd might win, am i wrong to think this? arent more bd movies releasing now?


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I suggest you go with the PS3. Blu-Ray has too many things in it's favor to lose this format war.

Out of the three theoretically possible scenarios:

1. Blu-Ray wins and HD-DVD dissapears.
2. HD-DVD wins and Blu-Ray dissapears.
3. Neither wins and both survive side by side.

Scenario # 2 is not practically possible because of Blu-Ray being an integral part of the PS3. It's not like millions of PS3 owners worldwide are simply going to throw them away. Thus no matter what the outcome of the format war, Blu-Ray will still be around.


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urbanlegend wrote:
hi all just splurged on a PS3 today .. just not too sure if i should keep this or get the new xbox 360 elite with a (seperate purchase) hd-dvd drive. can u anyone help me out?

does the PS3 upconvert?
i heard it doesnt show bd movie in 720p, only 480p or 1080i, true?
any benefits of ps3 over x360? or vice versa?
i personally think bd might win, am i wrong to think this? arent more bd movies releasing now?


Dilemma!!I know!

Ok!!

lets start with xbox 360..heck a gaming machine, online is marvellous, now you can download and watch high def movies from online too, for $4-6 .

It can upscale reg dvds to 1080i only, as current premium has component or vga.

no high def drive.

cost..premier..$399, 20 gb, no hdmi, no hd dvd drive, can do some games 1080p if you have display.

New $479, bigger hard drive, hdmi , but still 1.3, no deep color, n hd dvd drive..cost $479.

hd dvd drive $200 etc....currently component , upto 1080i, pq very pleasing imho, almost equal to standalone. Sound quality abysmaal.

vga compatibility, screwed., if work with hdmi of new version, xbox, possibly might do 1080p, on hd dvds, minus sound, built in true hd and dts hd tuners, no hdmi 1.3, no 1080p/24 hz support.

ps3..20 gb..for $499 , obsolete, discontinued, if u can find, good blue ray play back, sounds awesome even optical/coaxial digital out puts. hdmi 1.3, no 1080p/24hz compatibility yet, no dts hd, etc decoders built in.

On gaming side, heck a lot potential, under taped, live not yet developed so lacks behind xbox 360, backward compatibility good. online will be free, when available. NO SD DVD UP CONVERSION, but 480P dvds via HDMI look, pretty good though imho. Remote $15-20 extra, but you dont need it if you don't want it.

plays blue ray dvds perfect, and blue ray library seems huge right now.

ps3 60 gb, only option, might go down in price but $599, with bigger hard drive/wireless built in, memory card reader.


NOW my bottom line: to jump in, 20 GB PS3 is the best way, even blue ray dies it will still survive as gaming machine., 60GB is not bad deal either imho.

wait till summer or end of year for Chinese HD DVD players coming through walmart etc, will sell, $99 or below.

I have PS3, and XBOX 360, I had add on, but sold it..reason, sound was awful, takes more than 50% movie pleasure away. I do have 1080P TV, but we dont miss HDMI on plain xbox 360 as gaming machine.

I have purchased a HD XA2 Toshiba, with top of line features for HD DVD, 1080P upscaling at its best, but in my BR/ HD DVD library,

I have 15 BR Discs, and have only one HD DVD( KING KONG), that came with my drive( btw drive came with one free movie/one remote)

Well, let me know, if any other question.

BTW Toshiba HD DVD player Gen one or GEN 2 can be had around $250 or below.

So, for GAMING ..right now..360, but buy, current premium cheap, or soon, prem will become elite.


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Thanks to both Sanjay and Arsh Bhai Log for the info :D

The PS3 version that I ended up with by chance was the 60gb version and am thankful I got that one. I love the wireless internet capability and the expansion slots for sd/cf/ms, those to me were bonuses that really made me happy (yes, small things bring a smile to my face). I didnt know about the 20gb version and just found out today as well at Futureshop here in Canada. They had an open box PS3 60gb for $629 and brand new for $699 (which is what I got). I didnt want open box, even though it would be cheaper, since I dont trust the person who returned it.

With regards to PQ, when I played a regular DVD, GO Dhoom YRF Songs, the song Salaam Namaste title song. I was pleasantly surprised with the PQ, it looks pretty darn good, the skin tones etc, seemed wicked. The TV was set at Standard Default Mode with no modification and same with the PS3. Now even though it doesnt Upconvert (plays at 480p) its impressive.

Today I wanted to test a BR disc, so went to shop for a cheap BR disc, that even though if I returned the PS3 I wouldnt feel so bad about the purchase. Now dont laugh, I bought Scooby Doo. I didnt play it yet but will let u all know what I think.

BTW I am running firmware 1.5, should I upgrade? Is it worth the upgrade?


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urbanlegend wrote:
hi all just splurged on a PS3 today .. just not too sure if i should keep this or get the new xbox 360 elite with a (seperate purchase) hd-dvd drive. can u anyone help me out?
does the PS3 upconvert?
i heard it doesnt show bd movie in 720p, only 480p or 1080i, true?

Does not upconvert for now. Likely will later on after firmware upgrade. For HD stuff just use 1080i out and let your display downsample if it's not 1080i/1080p.


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