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You'd be hard pressed to get Criterion to get this in their collection; they very rarely touch new movies. I’d love to watch this move on a decent DVD, hope one appears soon.

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That’s not completely true , the following are list of movies that got released in the last 10 years


The Rock Bay, Michael USA 1996 108
Schizopolis Soderbergh, Steven USA 1996 199
Chasing Amy Smith, Kevin USA 1997 75
Taste of Cherry Kiarostami, Abbas Iran 1997 45
Insomnia Skjoldbjærg, Erik Norway 1997 47
Rushmore Anderson, Wes USA 1998 65
Armageddon Bay, Michael USA 1998 40
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas Gilliam, Terry USA 1998 175
Ratcatcher Ramsay, Lynne Scotland 1999 162
Traffic Soderbergh, Steven USA 2000 151
A Constant Forge Kiselyak, Charles USA 2000 256
Beastie Boys Video Anthology Various USA 2000 100
In the Mood for Love Kar-wai, Wong Hong Kong 2000 147
George Washington Green, David Gordon USA 2000 152
Fat Girl Breillat, Catherine France 2001 259
The Royal Tenenbaums Anderson, Wes USA 2001 157
The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou Anderson, Wes USA 2004 300



The only thing stopping them will be their ability to get the rights to a film, if they are interested and if they can get the rights I am pretty sure they can/will release it


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Hopefully if Criterion does pursue this, the rightsholder doesn't say, "Sorry, yaar, already sold the rights to Venus" :D


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Hollllllllllllllllllllly shit, this film is fucking great(!!!!!). I just saw it on a ripped VCD(I assume it's just taken from bwtorrents.com). It feels like Satya on the surface, but without the arrogance of Ram Gopal Verma(which isn't a bad thing might I add). The film's swift(and often slow) editing gives the film a very anti-modernistic feel. I loved how Anurag Kashyap paints every night scene in the movie with stark green or red lighting, almost suggesting the distinctions between what is real and what isn't. The film also has these rare moments of cinematic brilliance that left me speechless; the opening scene itself is quite remarkable, Kashyap is also great at throwing in unintentional comic relief without loosing the set tone as the film progresses.

God! now I know where all the amazing films from India are, there all banned! Is this how backwards the countries film industry is?

Now, I just can't wait to get my hands on Paanch. If this film is as great as Black Friday, I think it's safe to say that Anurag Kashyap is one of India's top cinematic auteur's.

Had I seen this on a proper DVD transfer, I'm sure I would have loved it even more ( :( ).I can't comment on it's supposed contrast with The Battle of Algiers, I haven't seen this yet. I was gonna buy it recently, but instead purchased Orson Welle's F for Fake.


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I watched about half so far, but, from what I can understand of it, it is very good. I hope there's a DVD on the way with subtitles. I'm going to try to finish it.

Kashyap has shown he can be a good filmmaker apart from RGV (he co-wrote Satya with Saurabh Shukla) and I hope his future films don't get banned. We have a potentially great new filmmaker here, and I also don't want him to water down his films or go the masala route.

I saw Battle of Algiers on the big screen last year, and it was quite amazing. Criterion has produced what looks like a great 3-disc set. Since I haven't finished BF yet, I can't make any comparisons, but both films have an objective eye and attention to detail and realism.


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DVD Collector wrote:
Hollllllllllllllllllllly shit, this film is fucking great(!!!!!). I just saw it on a ripped VCD(I assume it's just taken from bwtorrents.com). It feels like Satya on the surface, but without the arrogance of Ram Gopal Verma(which isn't a bad thing might I add). The film's swift(and often slow) editing gives the film a very anti-modernistic feel. I loved how Anurag Kashyap paints every night scene in the movie with stark green or red lighting, almost suggesting the distinctions between what is real and what isn't. The film also has these rare moments of cinematic brilliance that left me speechless; the opening scene itself is quite remarkable, Kashyap is also great at throwing in unintentional comic relief without loosing the set tone as the film progresses.

God! now I know where all the amazing films from India are, there all banned! Is this how backwards the countries film industry is?

Now, I just can't wait to get my hands on Paanch. If this film is as great as Black Friday, I think it's safe to say that Anurag Kashyap is one of India's top cinematic auteur's.

Had I seen this on a proper DVD transfer, I'm sure I would have loved it even more ( :( ).I can't comment on it's supposed contrast with The Battle of Algiers, I haven't seen this yet. I was gonna buy it recently, but instead purchased Orson Welle's F for Fake.


My brother has seen both PAANCH and BLACK FRIDAY and thinks Kashyap is one of those rarely gifted people that can write and direct well.....really, really well that is !!! Mani Rathnam too writes decently but only sometimes! off the more recent film makers only Ashutosh Gowariker comes across as someone that can write and direct well....need more of this breed ! People that can write good stories and then direct it themselves....Satyajit Ray was also a great writer-director, as was Ritwick Ghatak !


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I can't comment on it's supposed contrast with The Battle of Algiers, I haven't seen this yet. I was gonna buy it recently, but instead purchased Orson Welle's F for Fake.


Let me first make sure you I am clear - 'Battle of Algiers' is definitely a much superior film and the criterion DVD is stellar and is a good ( only place ?) to start looking at the film. That said Black Friday ( wish we had a good print ) is an excellent movie in its own right

*** Possible Spoilers ***

I would have never compared it myself but i did because the previous reviewer had hinted upon it ( see earlier post) and i think he is warranted in doing so . In my mind 'Battle of Algiers' inspired Anurag Kashyap ( and this is in a good way) - he pretty much took the blue print of Algiers and applied it to Black Friday. The following is some things I noticed

- Both films "try" to give a balanced opinion.
- Use of no single protagonist or antagonist
- Use of music to increase or decrease pacing
- Cinema Verte style
- Political agenda at its core
- Both films banned in their respective countries ( Algiers was in France for 4 years )
- Both films start with an interrogations scene and end with 'failures' on part of the antagonist.


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Aarkayne wrote:
My brother has seen both PAANCH and BLACK FRIDAY and thinks Kashyap is one of those rarely gifted people that can write and direct well.....really, really well that is !!! Mani Rathnam too writes decently but only sometimes! off the more recent film makers only Ashutosh Gowariker comes across as someone that can write and direct well....need more of this breed ! People that can write good stories and then direct it themselves....Satyajit Ray was also a great writer-director, as was Ritwick Ghatak !

Just restrictively speaking for Hindi cinema, Farhan Akthar is also a fresh breed, remember, he only directed Lakshya, which was only spoiled by Javed's script. I just hope he's writing his interpretation for the Don remake, otherwise, I'm uninterested in that project as well.

Below is an interesting read of a Anurag Kashyap interview, what I find most troubling is Bollywood's cynical reaction towards him.

The Rediff Interview / Anurag Kashyap

'Black Friday is based on facts!'

Patcy N | April 05, 2005


Controversy seems to be Anurag Kashyap's middlename. His sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll cocktail of a directorial debut, Paanch, never made it to the marquee. His next movie, Black Friday, almost made it -- it even had a release date -- but was soon bogged down with a stay order from the Bombay High Court.

The petitioners against the film alleged the movie passes a judgement on the accused in the 1993 Mumbai bomb blasts; the court upheld their argument.

Kashyap is heartbroken, but as unapologetic as his films. Over a cup of tea at his home, the filmmaker -- who has scripted films like Satya and Kaun, and written dialogues for Shool, Yuva and the forthcoming Main Aisa Hi Hoon -- talks to Patcy N about Black Friday, Paanch, star tantrums and other facts of life.

On the movie

Black Friday is about the 1993 Mumbai blasts, and is based on a book by S Hussein Zaidi. It starts three days before the blast, and then shows the police investigation. The film is about the investigation, how the police cracked the case and the conspiracy behind it [the blasts].

Yes, the theme is controversial but I didn't intend to be controversial. I make films that excite me.


Mid-Day had approached me through Arindam Mitra, who is the producer of the film. He wanted to make a television serial on it [the book], and asked me whether I would write it. When I read the book, I was very moved. It brought old memories of articles that I read in 1993. I was not in Mumbai when the blasts took place. I arrived here in June 1993.

I suggested we make a film, instead of a serial. We discussed ideas and finally he gave me the idea for the final structure. I started writing the script, but got stuck. My team of Aparna Chaturvedi, Dr Tushar and Debashish Makhija did a year and a half of research and that's how the whole process started.

We looked up photographs and documentaries. More than just destroyed buildings, I wanted to see personal losses, the pain, and show that to the audience. We also interviewed blast victims, and people who still work outside [the Bombay] Stock Exchange and passport offices [where the blasts occurred].

Kay Kay Menon plays Additional Commissioner of Police Rakesh Maria, who had put the case together and who handed over the case to former Mumbai police commissioner Amarjit Singh Samra, the man who solved the case with due help from other police departments.

We followed his point of view, which led us to Badshah Khan, who plays a very important role. Aditya Srivastav, who was also in Paanch, plays him. Pawan Malhotra plays Tiger Memon and Vijay Maurya, who was also in Paanch, plays Dawood Ibrahim.

The film was completed in May 2004. We took it to film festivals in Locarno, Bhutan, New York, MAMI [in Mumbai]...

We wanted to break new ground and see how people reacted to the film. We were surprised with MAMI. There were 1,400 people sitting in a hall with a 900-seat capacity! We got a standing ovation there.

Everybody anticipates controversies with this film and feels we would have got phone calls from the underworld or faced political pressure, but I experienced none of that.

While making this film, the idea was to achieve objectivity, not point fingers. It is time to explore how and why things happened.

My contribution to the film is the screenplay. Everything is based on facts. I have not created anything. What I have done is taken a mammoth case and eliminated things to keep it linear. The film explores viewpoints from Rakesh Maria to Badshah Khan.

We are making a television series of Black Friday, which includes Sanjay Dutt's story. We are not trying to explore whether somebody is guilty or not. I just want to shoot Dutt's arrest. His will be shown as one of the many arrests that took place.

In the film, we don't have the Sanjay Dutt part at all. He got a lot of coverage because he's a famous actor but he was not a key element in the case. He is the sensational part of the story, which we don't want to use.

But we might ask him to do a cameo in the serial. He must be having his own stand in the case.

On Ram Gopal Varma

It's difficult working with Ram Gopal Varma. I have an on-off relationship with him. Both of us speak out what we think, but if I say something that he doesn't like, he can't take it.

But he's a big man; I am not even two percent of what he is. Ram Gopal Varma doesn't need an Anurag Kashyap but Anurag Kashyap needs a Ram Gopal Varma.

Our ways of functioning are very different. As a boss, he's very dominating. But he is supportive of the kind of work that I am doing.

Satya was an important part of my life. It was incredible. I don't see that kind of passion anymore. I got addicted to that!

On Paanch

There is hope that Paanch will release. Sahara have bought the film and are advertising it in newspapers. I've been told it will release in two or three months.

Paanch will not get outdated. But by now, people must have seen the elements in other movies. I have seen it in Murder and Jism. But Paanch has its own unique quality.

On himself

I wanted to be a scientist, so I did zoology honours in Delhi. I did drugs, and got involved with a [Delhi street] theatre group called Jana Natya Manch in 1993. I did theatre with them.

I packed my bags and came to Mumbai when I was 20. Then, I knew only one place in Mumbai -- Prithvi theatre.

After staying in a good hotel for two days, I ran out of money. So I spent about eight months staying in lofts, on the streets, under a water tank and in the St Xavier's [college] boys hostel.

I started working at Prithvi. My first drama was with Mahendra Joshi but it never got completed because he passed away.

Next, I joined Makarand Deshpande's group Samrangan. But I could not face life. I wanted to act but I couldn't act with all that frustration. I wrote an eight-page drama called Mein, which went to college festivals and did well. That's when people told me I should start writing.

I met Govind Nihalani and he gave me some books to adapt as plays for television. Those books confused me so much that I started thinking that I didn't know anything! I went into hibernation for a year and a half, and kept reading.

Then I met Shivam Nair and wrote a short television serial called Auto Narayan and dialogues for Trikaal. Manoj Bajpai showed my serial Auto Narayan to Ram Gopal Varma and he liked it. So I got Satya.

I was very frustrated and angry because Paanch did not release. Even now, I get depressed thinking about it. But my daughter has calmed me. I don't get angry anymore. I watch a lot of films at home. I don't go for parties and functions.

I still do plays with Makarand like Sir Sir Sarla.

Lately, I have been sitting at home and writing a lot of scripts. I want to work with people who are comfortable, who trust and understand me, and who don't judge me.

On his other projects

AK (Alvin Kaalicharan) is on backburner. I think Anil Kapoor (the hero) didn't trust me. The same look was used in Musafir.

AK has become stale, at least with Anil Kapoor. He doesn't think that I can make him look glamorous. I am too 'real' and real means boring to film stars.

I will work with anyone who comes to my sets as an actor and not a star. They should leave their baggage behind if they want to work with me.

People in the industry say that I'm very arrogant and that I will not survive in the industry as I am a art filmmaker. But I'm very straightforward. I say what I feel and a lot of people find it offensive. I have a small but great team. I am happy working with this group.

Gulal and AK are my dream projects. I have three or four big-budget scripts which I want to make some day.

I have always wanted to work with Madhuri (Dixit) but she quit [the industry]; with Dilip Kumar but he doesn't act any more; and with Amitabh Bachchan but I think he doesn't like me. Also, there is Naseeruddin Shah. I have approached him twice but he turned me down.
http://us.rediff.com/movies/2005/apr/05anurag.htm


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DVD Collector wrote:
I can't comment on it's supposed contrast with The Battle of Algiers, I haven't seen this yet. I was gonna buy it recently, but instead purchased Orson Welle's F for Fake.


Let me first make sure you I am clear - 'Battle of Algiers' is definitely a
much superior film and the criterion DVD is stellar and is a good ( only
place ?) to start looking at the film. That said Black Friday ( wish we had
a good print ) is an excellent movie in its own right

*** Possible Spoilers ***

I would have never compared it myself but i did because the previous
reviewer had hinted upon it ( see earlier post) and i think he is warranted
in doing so . In my mind 'Battle of Algiers' inspired Anurag Kashyap ( and
this is in a good way) - he pretty much took the blue print of Algiers and
applied it to Black Friday. The following are somethings I noticed

- Both films "try" to give a balanced opinion.
- Use of no single protagonist or antagonist
- Use of music to increase or decrease pacing
- Cinema Verte style
- Political agenda at its core
- Both films banned in their respective countries ( Algiers was in France
for 4 years )
- Both films start with an interrogations scene and end with 'failures' on
part of the antagonist.

I guess there could me more/less depending on how you look at it


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DVD Collector wrote:
I can't comment on it's supposed contrast with The Battle of Algiers, I haven't seen this yet. I was gonna buy it recently, but instead purchased Orson Welle's F for Fake.


Let me first make sure you I am clear - 'Battle of Algiers' is definitely a
much superior film and the criterion DVD is stellar and is a good ( only
place ?) to start looking at the film. That said Black Friday ( wish we had
a good print ) is an excellent movie in its own right

*** Possible Spoilers ***

I would have never compared it myself but i did because the previous
reviewer had hinted upon it ( see earlier post) and i think he is warranted
in doing so . In my mind 'Battle of Algiers' inspired Anurag Kashyap ( and
this is in a good way) - he pretty much took the blue print of Algiers and
applied it to Black Friday. The following are somethings I noticed

- Both films "try" to give a balanced opinion.
- Use of no single protagonist or antagonist
- Use of music to increase or decrease pacing
- Cinema Verte style
- Political agenda at its core
- Both films banned in their respective countries ( Algiers was in France
for 4 years )
- Both films start with an interrogations scene and end with 'failures' on
part of the antagonist.

I guess there could me more/less depending on how you look at it


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HAHA. These triple posts happened with you too dvdisoil. :D


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DVD Collector wrote:
HAHA. These triple posts happened with you too dvdisoil. :D


Argh - I guess i clicked it too many times ! , well anyways it "stresses" importance of my analysis ;)


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Wooohooo I finally managed to watch this movie on big the screen - uncut (161 mins) and slightly censored (few bleeps to censor profanities in similar vein to Matrubhoomi Eros DVD). Watched it at the Mango film festival; viewtopic.php?t=8021

This movie is simply stunning! Not exactly to everyone’s liking but I love movies like this. When you go watch a movie with great expectations as all the reviews and views highly praise it and then still come out of the cinema impressed, it’s got to be a special movie. Great performance from all the cast esp Kay Kay, Aditya Srivastava and Pavan Malhotra. I love the way the movie has been shot and how it blends the stunning soundtrack to grip and suck the audience into story. It’s an excellent impartial execution of a very brutal and difficult subject matter. It’s disheartening to read how difficult it’s been to release this movie (I believe its new release date is set for December this year) and even sadder is that when an opportunity arises to see a movie like this the cinema is full of 10 people!

Movies need great writers/directors like Anurag Kashyap. Look forward to seeing anything he does in the future, hopefully one day we'll get to see Paanch too :x :roll:

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The cinema was full - i.e. no seats left on the opening night of the festival for the screening of Black Friday. I think also that the majority of anyone who wanted to see it were there for the interview with Anurag Kashyup ...


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Dam missed that opening night!

Do you know if Paanch will be shown again sometime soon? It was shown on Tuesday but it was 3.30pm, still at work then.

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