Kamal Hassan's Mumbai Express

bgee · **Joined:** Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:25 am **Posts:** 1400

We have all (atleast most) of Oriental IR CDs. Will update this week. Its between 6.99

DragunR2 · **Joined:** Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:16 am **Posts:** 4259

I looked on their site and their film CDs are $5 to $5.99. Shipping is $5. It says 5 CDs per package but I do not know that is for domestic or international shipping. But at this price I don't mind taking a chance on a few of these CDs, as a Real Audio stream probably won't do the music justice.

bgee · **Joined:** Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:25 am **Posts:** 1400

They are same as themahal.com. So you can call themahal and work it out on shipping etc. The reason we sell for 6.99 is because we buy from them and sell. They dont understand the concept of wholesale vs retail, so thats why no one else is buying their CDs for sale. We bought them because we wanted to have good IR collection in our store.

Zoran009 · **Joined:** Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:53 pm **Posts:** 14989

DragunR2 wrote:

I looked on their site and their film CDs are $5 to $5.99. Shipping is $5. It says 5 CDs per package but I do not know that is for domestic or international shipping. But at this price I don't mind taking a chance on a few of these CDs, as a Real Audio stream probably won't do the music justice.

Just want to add my 2 cents, real audio streams, mp3s, vbrs , nothing can do justice to original music on original cd.

dvdisoil · **Posted:** Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:02 am

Some more info (esp. for DVDCollector) - This is a memoir of his experience composing music for 'Hey Ram' . Wonderful reading (in sequence)

http://www.raajangahm.com/articles/index.html
http://www.raajangahm.com/articles/memo ... ish01.html
http://www.raajangahm.com/articles/memo ... ish02.html
http://www.raajangahm.com/articles/memo ... ish03.html
http://www.raajangahm.com/articles/memo ... ish04.html
http://www.raajangahm.com/articles/memo ... ish05.html
http://www.raajangahm.com/articles/memo ... ish06.html
http://www.raajangahm.com/articles/memo ... ish07.html

DVD Collector · **Posted:** Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:29 am

Thanks for the links dvdisoil. It was really an influential reading. Man! this guy is great and now only terribly underrated. Do you know of any other score Ilayaraja has composed using a live philharmonic orchestra?

dvdisoil · **Posted:** Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:02 am

DVD Collector wrote:

Thanks for the links dvdisoil. It was really an influential reading. Man! this guy is great and now only terribly underrated. Do you know of any other score Ilayaraja has composed using a live philharmonic orchestra?

He composed a full symphony for the legendary Royal Philharmonic Orchestra ( http://www.rpo.co.uk/ ) and his composition was conducted by John Scott. Unfortunately it is not yet released and "some people say" that it was nailed by critics and hence illayaraja is reluctant to release it. ( http://webhome.idirect.com/~rlevy/current_question.html )

Hopefully we will hear it someday.

DragunR2 · **Joined:** Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:16 am **Posts:** 4259

That yahoo group is great, and I'll dl some of the bgms later. Right now I'm listening to Sagarasangamam (Salangai Oli), which I've listened to before, but its very good. In the filmi classical music department I don't think it is a stretch to say IR is close to K.V. Mahadevan.

I have been a little disappointed in what I've heard of IR's work in the later half of the 90s and onwards, but I liked Vishwa Thulasi. Bharathi had some good bgm music but I didn't care for the songs except for Mayil Pola and Nalladhor Veenai Seidhe.

To add to the list:

Karagattakaran (raaga.com is missing some songs)
Payanangal Mudivadhillai
Kalyanaraman

Did raaga.com rip some of the songs from VCDs?

dvdisoil · **Posted:** Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:15 pm

DragunR2 wrote:

I have been a little disappointed in what I've heard of IR's work in the later half of the 90s and onwards, but I liked Vishwa Thulasi. Bharathi had some good bgm music but I didn't care for the songs except for Mayil Pola and Nalladhor Veenai Seidhe.

It is no surprise that the 90's were Illayaraja's weakest time, another legend (yeah its Rehman ) started to appear on the scene and his music literally "blew away" both illayaraja and his music fans. I still remember listening to Roja/Bombay/Gentleman/Khadalan/Duet with utter bewilderment. Glad it was Rehman who filled up Illayraja's shoes in the 90's. People ( Balachander, Bharathiraja, Mani Rathnam) who relied on his music started dropping illayaraja as a hot cake and jumped onto the Rehman bandwagon. I am sure at a personal level illyaraja was deeply offended and affected by this sudden shift in his â€œfortunesâ€ and it started showing in his work.

As for Bharathi - I think this is one of the rare moments in Indian cinema where the music cannot exist without the movie as a standalone piece of work. It has to be heard with the movie in you mind. I am a "fan" of 'maha kavi' Bharathi and have always though him to be way ahead of his time (the way he died is so metaphorical). Personally I think both the movie and Illayraja do full justice to him and marked the second coming of illayaraja.

DragunR2 · **Joined:** Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:16 am **Posts:** 4259

To be fair to Mani Ratnam, he took a giant risk by forgoing an MD who gave him hit after hit for an unknown ad composer, and boy did it pay off. But IR was on top for part of the 70s, all of the 80s, and right up until the release of Roja. That's the nature of the business. IR is still in demand, and that in itself is difficult for any cine artist to achieve after nearly 30 years in the biz.

For a long time it was all about Rahman, but nowadays Tamil film music is much more pluralistic because of the length of his composition process and all the projects he is busy with, and that has helped new MDs as well as IR to fill that gap.

I did not like the film Bharathi, but not having grown up on his poetry I know little about him. My dad didn't like the film either. Different strokes for different folks. Shinde was good, though his voice was dubbed.

bgee · **Joined:** Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:25 am **Posts:** 1400

Rita wrote:

dvdunlimited wrote:

Have not heard of Azhagi until noticing your post.

Thats the problem why IR didnt become popular. When ARR came to the field the world is easy to reach than during IR days. Another thing is its different when you score music for Lagaan or in general Hindi movies because of the reach than tamil movies. Azhagi is one such example. Not so many tamil ppl also appreciate the movie/songs, because it is not advertised well. The only movies/songs that becomes popular is if it is acted by Kamal / rajini or directed by Manirathnam / shankar. Other movies goes un-noticed, and thats where IR's talent was wasted.

There was some american forum discussing about greatest composers and I found this over there. I dont have the complete link to the thread but I saved this in my draft folder

Quote:

JOHN WILLIAMS GREATER THAN ILAYARAJA ??

JOHN WILLIAMS is very very great .....and maybe 30 times above the others like hans zimmer , jerry goldsmith etc.....

but in front of ilayaraja , he is no where.............

i am big fan of John williams and ilayaraja.....and I got deep knowledge on both................and with that knowledge i am saying john williams musical output is nothing when compared to divine , creative and expressive music of ilayaraja.....

JUST SAY U DONNO ILAYARAJA.....but without knowledge dont even think of ridiculing him....coz when u attain the knowledge u feel guilty ............ha h aha

but i wud agree ...with adam.....john williams compositions are presented with much sophisticated orchestra.....thats only output of musical notes .....its just like u r using sophisticated technology to play a tune whereas someone is creating music on hand made drums.....but see the compostions ...the ORIGINAL notes put on document ....dont compare coke and water......and if Ilayarajas heart touching notes are presented with symphonic orchestras ......then the fallen WTC will stand on its own ...ha ha haa......

ilayarajas compositions are like part of nature......
like a flower , like a honey bee hive, or child born....

and if u talk about quantity .....the music stamena ......then if JW has scored 10 points then ilayaraja has scored some 2000 points....

JOHN WILLIAMS IS SOPHISTICATES SUB SUB SUBSET OF ILAYARAAJA

I am glad that atleast some one is discussing about our IR and comparing with JW.

The best of all is what Parthiban put in one of his movies

Music - Alias - Illayaraja

I should really stop here, becuase everytime I talk about IR I go overboard and end up spending my entire day on it. I hope he will give us few more good music in the upcoming years and I prey that his Thiruvasagam symphony will show his talents to people who know music and who appreciate music.

Cheers

Zoran009 · **Joined:** Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:53 pm **Posts:** 14989

DU we are enjoying your passionate discussion of IR's music!!
I wish some one should change title of this thread to include IR music too :lol:

BTW! It was nice to see M M KAREM coming out of Bhatt's camp and composing for SRK's PAHELI!

dvdisoil · **Posted:** Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:55 pm

Glad to see renewed interest in Illayaraja and I agree we must change the title to mention Illayaraja in it - Great Stuff AND KEEP IT GOING.....

BTW - Azghagi is also a wonderful movie. Parthiban (its director) is one of the few people I really respect as an artist, that guy is wonderfully wacky.

And speaking of â€˜Maha Kaviâ€™ Bharathi - I did not grow up with his poetry either, but of late I have been reading about him and since become a big fan. This forum is probably not the place to talk about him or his works (albeit to say he is an "acquired" taste), So lets stop it at that.

DragunR2 · **Joined:** Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:16 am **Posts:** 4259

http://www.jwfan.net/index.php?name=PNp ... ight=india

The thread becomes crap soon into the first page.

dvdisoil · **Posted:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:32 am

DragunR2 wrote:

http://www.jwfan.net/index.php?name=PNp ... ight=india

The thread becomes crap soon into the first page.

Never a fan of "comparing" **any** artist(s) - each is a giant in their own league. That said that is a pretty pointless thread , cant believe I went through 4 pages of it looking for some info !

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