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Predict Kisna Box Ofice outcome
Super Hit in Overseas, Hit/ Super Hit in India 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
Hit in Overseas, Average in India 19%  19%  [ 3 ]
Hit/ Super Hit in India, Average/ Flop in Overseas 19%  19%  [ 3 ]
Flop/ Disaster 50%  50%  [ 8 ]
Other 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:42 am 
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AAp ki rai sar aankhon par but after Aishwaria rai!lol.

Yup, Vivik was good in company, decent and warm in Satthiya! He was golden boy that year! But alas!! That was it, success went to his head!and he has not been successful solo star since then, even aish could'nt save a day for him!

I agree, Yaadein had decent music, rather very good, I liked it! It had a consistent feel to it!

Kisna, music is over all, good! But kinda seems mish mash of 2 very distinctive styles of composers Rehman and Darbar!

it seems like like his film, ghaii tried to commercialize music success from all different genre for that year!

Rehman's music sounds kinda periodic, not even folk!, it is different from Lagaan(this kind would be good for asoka kinda film)

Then he ropes Darbar to re create Devdas aura plus trying to get radhe sham of lagaan, devdas genre!
So overall, imho, Kisna even being good! Does not have a consitent theme to 16 songs!

Ghaii, mixed up his Taal etc withlagaan, devdas and went, folky classico periodic style!

IMHO, Ghaii would be successful keeping it to rustc, folk/period. He had a set back, having Javed akhtar instead of his usual anand Bakshi!

So, overall, with good numbers, Kisna pales overall, infront of Devds, taal, HDDCS, Lagaan etc!

I hope I made my feelings clear re Kisna music! I dont think it is BAD! But it is not an absolute GEM either!

Same thing was for SWADES it heavily tries to be Lagaan but fails..but still good!

Meenaxi was the only consistent HIGH QUALITY album from Rehman last year!


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THNKS MISSY PUSSY! for sharing your lion share with your kind!!
But plss!! dont piss on that too!

Well!!Ican see, you are desperately using all ghaii kind mean tactics to spread your mean cause by all possible means!

You were successful to scare arsh away by showing your khunkhaar panjey and daant! but I know your deceptive(makaar) tactics! so wont work on me!! You can drink to death as much as you can!
Just let me know where you want to take this and how many other people like theon etc you want to involve in your puss shit!

When you saw that your beloved features biting the dust you started desperate tactics to gain/keep attention! np!

It reminds me of some wise's saying here:

KHASIYANI PUSSY KHAMBA NOCHEY, and if that does not fullfill her desperation tou fir APNE KHAMB HI NOCHEY!PUSSY!
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BUSINESS TALK

By Taran Adarsh, January 27th, 2005 - 0930 hrs IST


Why Did 'Kisna' Falter?

Soon after the release of MUJHSE SHAADI KAROGI [much after its box-office verdict had been pronounced], I was involved in some serious conversation with the undisputed badshaah of masala films, David Dhawan. After a series of insignificant and ignore-it-completely flicks, Dhawan had bounced back with renewed vigour and enthusiasm.

One of the reasons Dhawan had attributed for the super-success of MUJHSE SHAADI KAROGI continued to stay with me much after the conversation got over. Dhawan had confessed that he was upset by the failures of his last few films, but he had decided to introspect as to where he went wrong.

Dhawan started thinking afresh, opted for a new team of technicians, thought of novel ideas to package the cinema he knew best, discussed movies with his teenage sons to get a feel of what the youth looks for in a film today and presto, a new Dhawan was ready to explode on the screen.

Why am I starting my column with Dhawan when the fact is that I should be discussing Subhash Ghai and the box-office prospects of KISNA, did you ask? Well, that's because Ghai, as a film-maker, has stagnated of late.

Compare the milestones of his career, films like KALICHARAN, KARZ, HERO, VIDHAATA, RAM LAKHAN, KARMA, MERI JUNG, KHAL-NAYAK, SAUDAGAR and PARDES, with KISNA and you'll know what I mean.

His latest outing, KISNA, is by far his weakest product. Ghai has always worked hard on his scripts and I am sure, along with the three co-writers of KISNA, he must've worked doubly hard to ensure that he comes up with a fascinating product. Ghai had to prove his detractors wrong and bounce back with a vengeance.

But KISNA has nothing new to say. To me it comes across as a frantic attempt to touch the hearts and souls of the Indian diaspora as well as catch international attention. Besides an incoherent script, which comes to a screeching halt soon after it has had a great start, the other area where the film faltered in is the casting.

Vivek Oberoi worked well in films like COMPANY and also SAATHIYA because there was no conscious effort to play a super-hero. In KISNA, the role required him to portray the role of a super-hero and a larger-than-life character and he does make an attempt to play one, but it misfires badly. You just cannot connect with his performance!

I've always felt that the media loves to hype certain stars even though the ground realities are different. And it has been proved yet again that Vivek cannot draw the audiences as a solo hero. Be it ROAD, SAATHIYA, DUM, KYUN! HO GAYA NA… and KISNA, every solo Vivek starrer has had a dull start at the ticket window.

The failure of KISNA proves yet again that what the industry may find red-hot, may not necessarily be considered red-hot by the paying public!

So expecting KISNA to open big or take-off on a historic note [I read somewhere that it's India's answer to TITANIC] was really asking for too much. In fact, KISNA has had the weakest opening for a Subhash Ghai film ever [a few ill-informed sources continue to maintain that the film had a great advance booking!].

Despite Friday being a holiday [Idd], the opening day collections were average to below average at most places. Yes, I do agree that a Subhash Ghai film should ensure a cent per cent opening on Day 1 at least, irrespective of the star cast of the film, but KISNA is a case in study. The viewers didn't seem excited at all!

As things stand today, KISNA has emerged as a setback for the film industry that is already reeling under a severe crisis. It was meant to bail the industry out of the crisis, but…

The second release of the week, PAGE 3, is a multiplex fare and it is enjoying a good run at multiplexes of metros.


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Thnx for kind wishes!

Yes! Thats what I personally think!

Devdas was Devdas not LAGAAN!
Lagaan was in and out LAGAAN not DEVDAS!
TAAL was in and out TAAL!
Asoka was asoka, even I kinda always thought music did not fit very well with period film!
MHN was commercial but was MHN!
Kisna..is not Kisna in and out!! It is trying to become something else all the time!

But what it boils down too, that in music and likewise in films people's voice/choice varies! and bottom line is I feel strongly to respect that.


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Oh man! feels like the good old days are back again! LOL :lol:


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I watched Kisna, and yes it was a bit of a dissapointment. But, I didn't think it was as horrible as people said it was. Even though it was ripped off of several hollywood flicks, I think it still could've been a good film had Ghai not tried to commercialize it too much. Vivek Oberoi was not bad, but It never felt like it was his movie. His character just didn't make much of an impact, imo. That british actress was good though. Even though I loved the music, I think they should've cut a few songs out. Maybe, that would've helped a little. Overall I guess it wasn't all that bad, but I was a little dissapointed, especially after listening to the music which made me look forward to the movie.


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Jeet wrote:
I watched Kisna, and yes it was a bit of a dissapointment. But, I didn't think it was as horrible as people said it was.

Overall I guess it wasn't all that bad, but I was a little dissapointed, especially after listening to the music which made me look forward to the movie.


Everybody including Ghai has come to terms with the fact that Kisna did not live up to its expectations, critically or at the box office. (It did mange plenty of receipts for charity though.)

Not expecting as much as it was hyped, then the film is not that bad.
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After the knowledge of Kisna's Hindi Box Office verdict, do you think its English version (2 hr as compared to 2 hr 45 min for Hindi version) will ever be released on film or on DVD?? Will the release of English version make any profits. Will it be accepted by English audiences?? May be, it will?? If not, why not cut losses and never bother with English version.
http://www.indiafm.com/scoop/05/jan/270 ... ndex.shtml

Later, -(Ghai) ----------- He also announced the release of the two hour-long English version of Kisna, which is scheduled for a May 2005 release.
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Any idea whatever happened to so many films where English versions were announced?? Escape from Talibaan, Guide, Maine Pyar Kiya, and many more?? (I know, Amitabh's Deewar did come out as "I Will Die For Mama" in English.


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Amitabh's Deewar did come out as "I Will Die For Mama" in English.





I love this title :lol: darn!!

May be you can close and conclude this thread, as every one got it, that kisna was not what it was expected!


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rana wrote:
Any idea whatever happened to so many films where English versions were announced?? Escape from Talibaan, Guide, Maine Pyar Kiya, and many more?? (I know, Amitabh's Deewar did come out as "I Will Die For Mama" in English.


Was there ever a DEEWAR released in English(dubbed)? I thought this title was only given to subtitled copies released for the non-Indian territories (middle-east etc). It will be interesting to know there was and even more interesting to see the English albeit dubbed version.


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Aarkayne wrote:
rana wrote:
Any idea whatever happened to so many films where English versions were announced?? Escape from Talibaan, Guide, Maine Pyar Kiya, and many more?? (I know, Amitabh's Deewar did come out as "I Will Die For Mama" in English.


Was there ever a DEEWAR released in English(dubbed)? I thought this title was only given to subtitled copies released for the non-Indian territories (middle-east etc). It will be interesting to know there was and even more interesting to see the English albeit dubbed version.


Yes, Deewar was released in theatres, in North America - Canada, in spoken English language. But, it mainly was still in Desi theatres.

I faintly remember its TV adverts and clips where the actors themselves had dubbed for English version (Amitabh, Shashi, Parveen, Neetu etc). It was trimmed a lot as compared to Hindi version. I think English version was about 90 min.


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Any idea how they arrived at the title for the English dub?


Yeah Rita got your pm reply! 8)


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Kisna may eventually gain momentum as time goes by in certain areas?




:roll: lets all wait and see! to this wishful thinking! :idea: :!:


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Kisna may eventually gain momentum as time goes by in certain areas?




:roll: lets all wait and see! to this wishful thinking! :idea: :!:


Top 5 Movies of the Week

By Taran Adarsh (As on January 29th, 2005)

Rank Film Producer Verdict Average per print (rs.) Last Week

1 Kisna Mukta Arts Ltd Flop 3,54,061 New
2 Page 3 Bobby Pushkarna Excellent at metros 3,09,604 New
3 Elaan Venus Flop 1,36,549 1
4 Insan Keshu Ramsay Flop 96,323 2
5 Vaada Vashu Bhagnani Flop 48,472 4


THE REST

6. Dil Maange More
Producer: Nikhil Panchamiya.
Verdict: Flop
Average per print: 42,748

7. Rog
Producers: Pooja Bhatt, Sujit Kumar Singh.
Verdict: Flop
Average per print: 33,450

(Ratings are based on the box office collections and the cost of the film)

** I guess movie was too expensive! :?:


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