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Predict Kisna Box Ofice outcome
Super Hit in Overseas, Hit/ Super Hit in India 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
Hit in Overseas, Average in India 19%  19%  [ 3 ]
Hit/ Super Hit in India, Average/ Flop in Overseas 19%  19%  [ 3 ]
Flop/ Disaster 50%  50%  [ 8 ]
Other 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:50 am 
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Apparently lowest opening ever for a Ghai flick....Read on ......

http://web.mid-day.com/hitlist/2005/january/102170.htm


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Is this the box office report for India and overseas? Is Kisna doing well in USA?

I saw the AVSTV show over the weekend and all the public opinions in USA gave Kisna very good comments, many people said they like the cinematography, acting, and the story.


1. The report I published is based on the distributor fighting to get the rights. Now no one want to pay any big amount, not more than what they paid for any below average movie
2. AVSTV shows and similar TV shows are only promotions. I have yet to see some TV showing bad public opinions about a movie.

Only good thing I heard from ppl is that it is a sincere attempt, but not for "desi" ppl.


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i'm glad to hear other people found the film illogical. i was beginning to think i couldn't understand the film because i didn't have subtitles (i need subtitles...). wgat got to me was that girl doing her yoga moves every so often and people showing up out of no where to fight (OUT OF NO WHERE!). also, i found the english lines terribly fake.


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--- thing I heard from ppl is that it is a sincere attempt, but not for "desi" ppl.


Exactly.

Instead of spicing it up, Kisna makers kept it a decent clean family "G" film, just like Radha-Krishan as described in Hindu books. A brief "a mild la Mandakini in RTGM" scene is nicely done.

There was no better way to show turmoil at Independence. Celebrations, Killings, Tretchery, Politics, all happening at the same time. People who have seen those times, agree to this depiction; that's exactly how it happened.

Good or bad, I'm sure Kisna will find its target audience when its English version is released, in theatres or directly on DVD. Because of the currency exchange rates, Kisna for sure will more than recover its cost.


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rana!! yaar!! I wish ghaii would find few more well wishers like u!

just wait for bewafa! i think will work for darshans!


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arsh wrote:
rana!! yaar!! I wish ghaii would find few more well wishers like u!



Sure, specially when the distributors bring us Indian films to smaller centers, like Ottawa, in good theatres.

I'll rather prefer Swades, Kisna type films in good theatre than a masala films Main Hoon Naa, Murder, Veer Zara in a lousy theatre.


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rana wrote:
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rana!! yaar!! I wish ghaii would find few more well wishers like u!


I'll rather prefer Swades, Kisna type films in good theatre than a masala films Main Hoon Naa, Murder, Veer Zara in a lousy theatre.


Wow...SWADES and KISNA in the same breath....Just IMHO, SWADES is far, far superior and should not be spoken at all of alongwith Ghai's juvenile attempt at entertaining!

Personally, even MAIN HOON NAA is several hundred notches above KISNA. At least it was an unpretentious film !

But every man's taste for himself, at the end of the day and I do respect that!


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man!! darn this guy is something:

Kisna
Producer: Subhash Ghai
Director: Subhash Ghai
Starring: Vivek Oberoi, Antonia Bernath, Isha Sharvani, Amrish Puri, Rajat Kapoor, Hrishita Bhatt, Om Puri
Music:A.R. Rahman, Ismail Darbar
Lyrics: Javed Akhtar, Blaaze

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Released on: January 21, 2004
Reviewed by: Surjyakiran Das
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When "Yaadein" was released close to four years ago, it had become quite apparent that Subhash Ghai had let his desperation to please crowds cloud his better judgment as a filmmaker. Up until that point, Ghai´s oeuvre had been characterized by an overly apparent inner conflict; critical analysis of his 1990´s successes "Khal-Nayak," "Pardes," and "Taal," seem to suggest that they all represent careful bargains between Subhash Ghai the filmmaker and Subhash Ghai the businessman. Each of those films had scenes of uncompromised integrity and artistry, but such rare moments were carefully balanced with unabashed commercial ingredients to increase mass-appeal. Then "Yaadein" happened and all but declared the triumph of the economist over the artist. Ghai didn´t direct that film, he assembled it; he signed the most commercially viable stars, opted for the most saleable storyline, and glossed over the lack of create charge with high production values and shameless product placement.

Unfortunately for Ghai, his equation for success didn´t quite pan out. "Yaadein" was unanimously rejected by critics and audiences alike, and the haunting memories of its colossal failure forced Ghai to distract himself from direction and focus on producing other directors´ projects through his Mukta Arts Banner. Occasionally, rumors of Ghai´s next directorial venture were heard and, at one point, it even seemed that a project called "Motherland," with a massive star cast was going to take off. After "Motherland" revealed itself to be a false start, Ghai approached some leading technicians, including A.R. Rahman for yet another star-studded project. Once again, it failed to take off.

So when "Kisna," with its small star cast and off-beat theme was finally announced as Ghai´s return to direction, it came as a shocking surprise. Pouring loads of money, as Mukta Arts did, into this period piece was a massive risk - and, to say the least, quite uncharacteristic of a shrewd businessman. Would this film mark a return to form for Subhash Ghai the filmmaker? Now that the film has finally released, we find the answer to that question is, unfortunately, a resounding "No!"

In what is a clear take-off of James Cameron´s "Titanic," Ghai´s "Kisna" begins in the present day, with an old, wealthy British woman visiting India. She´s visiting to donate millions of dollars towards the establishment of a school in small town called Devprayag. When a couple of hounding news reporters accuses her of being ignorant about "the real India," the woman begins to tell the story of her childhood.

"Titanic" takes a backseat, and Ashutosh Gowariker´s "Lagaan," makes a brief appearance, followed by Micheal Mann´s "The Last of the Mohicans." The year is 1947, and sentiments against the British Raj are running high. An understated attraction between a young Indian man, Kisna (Vivek Oberoi), and a young British woman, Catherine (Antonia Bernath), becomes problematic when the young man is engaged to a village belle, Lakshmi (Isha Sharvani). Shortly after the engagement, a mob of anti-British Indian nationalists storm Catherine´s house. Kisna saves her, and takes on the responsibility of transporting her safely to the British High Commission in Delhi. Along the way, a villainous prince and Kisna´s own uncle and brother attempt to murder Catherine. Sequences lifted from a number of cinematic (Sanjay Leela Bhansali´s "Devdas") and literary sources ("The Mahabharat," "Bhagavad Puran") continue to unfold until a climax reminiscent of Martin Scorsese´s "Gangs of New York" brings the film to an end.

"Kisna" represents yet another thoroughly unoriginal, uninspired effort from Subhash Ghai. Instead of borrowing elements from safe commercial successes (college romance, family films) “showman” Ghai opts to lift scene after scene from more ambitious, risky productions ("Lagaan," "Devdas," etc). What Ghai fails to realize is that copying from a good source won´t make his own film any better. "Kisna" plays like disorganized, incoherent jumble of scenes from different films that don´t quite belong together. The elements that actually are original are ridiculous and insult audience intelligence (Kisna disguised as a wealthy Arab, concealing his identity with sunglasses). The film has no discernable central theme, no defined protagonist or antagonist, and no real sense of danger since we know that Catherine survives to retell her story.

Ghai claimed that this was a story deeply rooted in Indian philosophy and religion. Having seen the film, this reference falls just short of insulting. There are few parallels between the real story of Krishna and the story presented here. Sprinkling poorly written dialog with words like "dharma" and "karma" doesn´t make a film deep or philosophically significant, Mr. Ghai.

"The Warrior Poet," is an apt, contradictory tagline for the film, as the writers cannot seem to decide whether the film is an action epic or love story. The film´s tone and approach shifts drastically time and time again as the narrative unfolds and, in the end, we are left with neither a satisfying action film nor a compelling romance. Is Kisna, who is never really shown as any sort of legitimate "warrior," supposed to become one at the end of the film? If that was Ghai´s intention, it’s shortchanged by the fact that Kisna hardly fights any battles throughout the film. Even in the climax, he and Catherine are saved more by external forces than by Kisna´s own heroism. Or was the point the love story? Once again, lack of development renders this track uninvolving and an inexplicably self-sacrificial conclusion to the love story undermines what little build-up the film managed in the first place.

Poor character development plagues the film. The title character is not shown as either a warrior or a poet and is, for the most part, relegated to the background as the film proceeds. He is never developed or compelling enough to serve as a real protagonist. There are times, however, where Kisna looses track of Catherine, and then the audience knows only as much as he knows. This is an awkward choice since Catherine is the one recalling the story, and she could not have possibly known certain details. Another extremely awkward decision is to have a news-reporter narrate the story for Catherine. Who is this reporter? She is portrayed in a somewhat negative light at the beginning of the film, so why are the flashbacks being framed by her? The film abounds with many such inexplicable directorial decisions. In any case, Catherine´s character is a little more developed than Kisna´s, but her attraction to him is inexplicable. Why the two central characters are in love remains a mystery throughout the film and, as such, we never quite care if they end up together or not. Lakshmi, as the third wheel, is the worst written character of the film. The manner in which she helplessly loves Kisna when he treats her like rubbish borders on absurd.

Performances fall short of expectations. Antonia Bernath is charming and brings a certain depth to her character, but her opportunities to showcase talent are severely limited by the script. Her opportunities for skin-show, however, are maximized. Ghai, in a superbly hypocritical move, has her expose her entire backside in a completely gratuitous rape scene. Shame on you, Subhash Ghai – we expect this sort of exploitation from sleazy films like "Murder," not films masquerading as religious allegory. Isha Sharvani is given very little to do except contort her body in the dance numbers, and even this serves no real purpose in the film. Her skills are initially impressive but by the umpteenth time Ghai has her drop into a frame on a rope, her presence in the film is exposed for what it really is - just a novel gimmick posing as abstract art.

Supporting performances range from adequate to interesting, but nothing more. Amrish Puri is sadly wasted in his final villainous role, as is Om Puri who serves as comic relief. Vivek Mushran and Hrishita Bhatt manage to be quite endearing in their short roles. Rajat Kapoor overacts like mad and ruins significant portions of the film with his hamming.

Subhash K. Jha describes Vivek Oberoi´s performance in the film as "...mellow and deep, filled with gestures and nuances that need careful viewing." Ghai made a big deal about signing Oberoi over more established stars like Hrithik Roshan and Abhishek Bachchan but, having watched the film, one wonders if those stars would have ever signed on to a role such as this. Oberoi, despite getting top-billing, gets the most thankless role of the entire production. He is asked to portray an unwavering hero - someone who does the right thing invariably, without much inner conflict. Conjuring up conviction in such a role is undoubtedly difficult but, in the end, a convincing performance still ends up looking bland and uninteresting. Jackie Shroff played this role in "Khal-Nayak," and Akshaye Khanna did it in "Taal," and in those films, Sanjay Dutt and Anil Kapoor stole the show, respectively. When a role calls for no inner conflict, what´s an actor to do except go through the motions? Oberoi does as much with his role as he can, and deserves much credit for standing out as a plus point in this mess. Sadly, the film won’t do much for his flagging career. The man can act (“Company,” “Saathiya,” “Yuva”) but needs to learn how to choose scripts.

Ashok Mehta´s cinematography, which is consistently breathtaking is another plus point in the film. This film doesn´t deserve such a forceful visual impact - the composition of nearly each shot is so compelling that one wishes there were some meaning to read into them. Even more disappointing is that the film wastes some of the finest music Bollywood has heard in years. A.R. Rahman and Ismail Darbar´s inspired and intricately crafted music is criminally wasted throughout the film.

The awfulness of the editing merits a special mention. This is probably one of the worst editing jobs ever seen in an Indian film. Sequences are cut together abruptly, with no consideration for pacing or coherence. Portions of the film where characters should have been developed are sped through, but inane sidetracks such as the one involving Om Puri and Sushmita Sen plod along at a snail´s pace. Make-up and costumes are also quite bad. Kisna´s many disguises look tacky and undermine the gravity and sophistication of the film (not to mention it simply defies logic that a poor man from a village would be able to find enough money to obtain these disguises or know how to act once wearing them). The girls and the villains wear pounds and pounds of make-up that are overly visible on their faces, once again, rendering the film more laughable than convincing.

“Kisna” is a pretentious film in the truest sense of the word; it’s a film camouflaged as art that is actually another business venture by Subhash Ghai. The film pretends to care about its characters, pretends to have some significance, and pretends to be intended to make some sort of statement. In reality, it’s another effort on Subhash Ghai’s part to cash in on box-office trends. At the end of the film, Subhash Ghai makes his trademark cameo; this time, he’s seen in silhouette pointing to a car as it rides of into the sunset. Ghai’s pointing is his way of congratulating himself, saying, “I made this.” This is likely the emotional apex of the film – few scenes in recent memory have so effectively evoked pity. Here’s a director who still thinks he’s got it all figured out when, in reality, he’s not in touch with audiences and lost his touch as a filmmaker. Some inner conflict as to what to do, so utterly lacking in Kisna’s characterization, would do Ghai well - as he clearly hasn’t learned much from the “memories” of his last disastrous endeavor.


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rita, tell your guyanese family that crappy movies like Kisna are also not worth a pint of parrot's pee!



Well!! Missy!! theon used racial slur! u dont have an issue!!
I said , I agree film is bad, and you seem to have an issue!! :(

So, being racist is ok! I guess :o


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Rita wrote:
rana wrote:

For me, just the song "Oye Bebe" by Sukhvinder at 120 dB was enough for "Paisa Vasool".


Agree with you Rana, Sukhwinder’s song 'Jub Dil Miley' in Yaadein doesn’t get better than this, sheer bliss!! 8)

Rana, I believe Sukhwinder’ song is “Jub Dil Miley’ and Sonu Nigam sings ‘Oye Baby.’


Oops, my mistake. I meant 'Jub Dil Mile' song. I like both songs, so dbl Paisa Vasool. :D

(BTW, one song DVD by 'Sa Re Ga Ma' that I got recently had 3 videos by Sukhvinder)


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just for the record, i'm guyanese, so i'd probably not be interested in being racist against guyanese people...


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rita!! ji!
yaadein ironically/unfortunately! did good overseas buisness, no doubt!!
credit goes to mindless desis like us!

but it had hrithik factor who was an icon those days! while vivik, is nothing comparatively as far star powers go!

ghaii is extremely commercial action flick director, he fell on his face trying to churn mushy family drama or epic stories!
imho, he should stick to khalnayak type! he will do well!


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HERE IS YOUR OVERSEAS WELL WISH REPORT: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN:

OVERSEAS BOX-OFFICE

By Taran Adarsh, January 26th, 2005 - 1200 hrs IST


Warrior Loses Battle!

Weekend: January 21 - 23, 2005

Subhash Ghai's KISNA has not found acceptance. In fact, one expected the film to take a flying start in Overseas, but the box-office figures are much below expectations. In fact, the second weekend figures [average] of the Punjabi film DES HOYAA PARDES are better than the first weekend figures of KISNA in U.K.

U.K. BOX-OFFICE


KISNA has debuted at No. 19 position. In its opening weekend, the film has collected £ 100,709 [approx. Rs. 82.20 lacs] on 33 screens, with the per screen average working out to £ 3,052.


ELAAN [last weekend: No. 19, this weekend: No. 24]: In its second weekend, the film has collected £ 38,245 on 16 screens, with the per screen average working out to £ 2,390. The total so far has been £ 101,638 [approx. Rs. 83.03 lacs].


DES HOYAA PARDES [Punjabi] [last weekend: No. 23, this weekend: No. 25]: In its second weekend, the film has collected £ 24,456 on 6 screens, with the per screen average working out to £ 4,076. The total so far has been £ 63,190 [approx. Rs. 51.61 lacs].


VAADA [last weekend: No. 25, this weekend: No. 31]: In its third weekend, the film has collected £ 16,319 on 15 screens, with the per screen average working out to £ 1,088. The total so far has been £ 109,525 [approx. Rs. 89.47 lacs].


INSAN [last weekend: No. 26, this weekend: No. 32]: In its second weekend, the film has collected £ 13,969 on 13 screens, with the per screen average working out to £ 1,075. The total so far has been £ 45,358 [approx. Rs. 37.05 lacs].


VEER-ZAARA [last weekend: No. 31, this weekend: No. 49]: In its eleventh weekend, the film has collected £ 1,330 on 4 screens, with the per screen average working out to £ 333. The total so far has been £ 2,008,793 [approx. Rs. 16.41 crores].


SWADES [last weekend: No. 34, this weekend: No. 55]: In its sixth weekend, the film has collected £ 543 on 3 screens, with the per screen average working out to £ 181. The total so far has been £ 373,573 [approx. Rs. 3.05 crores].


AB TUMHARE HAWALE WATAN SATHIYO [last weekend: No. 45, this weekend: No. 61]: In its fifth weekend, the film has collected £ 116 on 1 screen. The total so far has been £ 160,883 [approx. Rs. 1.31 crores].


RAINCOAT [last weekend: No. 48, this weekend: No. 62]: In its fifth weekend, the film has collected £ 60 on 1 screen. The total so far has been £ 78,751 [approx. Rs. 64.34 lacs].
AT A GLANCE - SCREEN AVERAGES - U.K.

1. DES HOYAA PARDES £ 4,076
2. KISNA £ 3,052
3. ELAAN £ 2,390
4. VAADA £ 1,088
5. INSAN £ 1,075
6. VEER-ZAARA £ 333
7. SWADES £ 181
8. AB TUMHARE HAWALE WATAN SATHIYO £ 116
9. RAINCOAT £ 60
U.S.A. BOX-OFFICE


SWADES [last weekend: No. 58, this weekend: No. 69]: In its sixth weekend, the film has collected $ 5,200 on 10 screens, with the per screen average working out to $ 520. The total so far has been $ 1,213,722 [approx. Rs. 5.30 crores].

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Rita wrote:
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just for the record, i'm guyanese, so i'd probably not be interested in being racist against guyanese people...


I’ll drink to that! :D

Hey Theon yaar, it’s a small world!
I’m glad to know someone here also who is Guyanese! :D

So much for racist insinuations/slurs/parrot’s pee issues that someone here preposterously presumed!!! LOL ha-ha
Well, Mister Zibawala! What do you have to say now? :o :wink: :lol:


I think I'll drink to FAILURE of KISNA!

and ofcourse would have drink with you and theon if I would be GUYAMESE! and not Racist! :cry:


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