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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2002 9:03 pm 
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DVD Forum turns aggressive on licenses, royalties
As the global DVD market skyrockets, the DVD Forum will begin this year to aggressively enforce DVD licenses and collect DVD royalties, according to Koji Hase, chairman of the DVD Forum and vice president of Toshiba Corp., at the 2001 International Consumer Electronics Show.
"It’s time to start collecting money," Hase said, so that the owners of essential patents for the DVD standard can recoup their research and development investment.
Spelling out the DVD Forum’s strict policing activities, Hase warned, "We’re prepared to stop imports of unlicensed DVD players and bring lawsuits to those who are shipping DVD players without a licensing agreement."
At a time when DVD system manufacturers face tough price competition around the world, the DVD Forum’s move will put manufacturers without DVD intellectual property (IP) at a disadvantage, and could deepen the disparity between the IP haves and have nots.
The overall royalties could be taxing for a DVD player manufacturer, reaching as high as 10 percent of a player’s hardware cost, according to Hase. A manufacturer could owe royalty payments to two separate DVD patent pool orga

Since the DVD Forum failed to form a one-stop shop for DVD IP licensing, two competing patent pooling organizations are independently carrying out licensing programs and collecting royalties.
One group called 6C is composed of six companies—Toshiba Corp., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. Ltd., Victor Co. of Japan (JVC), Mitsubishi Electric Corp., Hitachi Ltd and Time Warner Inc.—and alone is asking for 4 percent royalties per a hardware unit, according to Hase. A separate DVD patent pool, called 3C—comprised of Royal Philips Electronics, Sony Corp. and Pioneer Corp.—is demanding 3.5 percent royalties per a hardware unit. In addition, MPEG LA is seeking royalties from manufacturers using patents related to MPEG-2 video, while Dolby is after those who implement Dolby Digital in their DVD players. Both Thomson and DiscoVision own patents involving optical disc technology, and each is looking to collect separate royalties. There is also a licensing fee for a copy protection system used within a DVD player.
Royalties have begun to flow in from many companies in Japan, the United States and Europe, Hase said. "We will be very adamant about going after those who do not have a DVD license or those who haven’t paid royalties. Because otherwise it would be hugely unfair to those who already do."
The DVD Forum will also be rolling out much tougher verification activities for DVD software and hardware, Hase said. Rather than waiting for vendors to bring their products to the DVD Forum for verification, "We are now going out and purchasing players and discs on our own from all over the world, in order to conduct verification tests," he said. The goal is to maintain better compatibility among DVD products that bear a DVD logo, and to reduce the number of poor quality products in the market, Hase said. "We are prepared to evoke a DVD license from them, if necessary."
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DVD Format/Logo Licensing Unit Opens Website
The DVD Format/Logo Licensing Corporation (DVD FLLC), the official licensor for rights to use DVD formats and logos, has opened its own website http://www.dvdfllc.co.jp.
DVD FLLC is a joint venture of the ten companies that originated the DVD formats. In addition to DVD format and logo licensing, the group handles production, maintenance, issuance of DVD Format Books, trademark registration and maintenance for DVD Logos, verification related activities and polices pirate manufacturers, non-compliant products and incorrect usage of DVD Logos.


Although it seems to be that they are related to the hardware licensing and usage of the DVD logo, I was wondering that they might also have some say in the DVD logo usage on DVD software. Therefore the quality of DVDs using the DVD logo must also fall under their purview, also poor quality and incompatibility issues on most Indian DVDs qould therefore fall in the category of misuse of the DVD logo. Now if my theory is correct (which it may not be) then we should report companies like 'Video Sound', 'Eros' 'Yash Raj Films' to them.

Also by the same argument presented above, the misuse (mono presented in 5 channels, pseudo DD 5.1 etc.) of Dolby Digital 5.1 and the Dolby Digital logo is something we should bring to the attention of Dolby Laboratories. It is possible that they might take some action against these companies, after all it reflects badly on their trademarked technology when it is presented incorrectly. After all to someone who has not heard a good demo of true DD 5.1, an experience listening to the sound from DVDs like 'Mela, Tum Bin, Baadshah & numerous others I can't recall right now' is liable to create a really bad impression of what DD 5.1 really is. By the way atleast on one occasion, I have been witness to such a situation, and the person involved had commented 'I prefer the sound of my vcr to this crap, atleast I don't here the same sounds echoing from all around, also atleast I can follow the dialouges on my tv compared to this'.

So what do you all think? Should we write in to the 'DVD Format/Logo Licensing Corporation' and 'Dolby Laboratories' and if so do you think it might have any effect on them?



Edited By Sanjay on Mar. 02 2002 at 21:12


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I’ve had similar discussion before. The DVD logo on software does carry some significance and is measure of some sort of control (what exactly? not sure of)

A case last year brought this issue to light when Disney stopped putting the official logo on their DVDs (Toy Story specifically) – as it not a legal requirement and you can still make DVDs. The logo apparently signifies a specification requirement that it’ll work on DVD players - that perform to the same specifications set out by the DVD organisations. Disney did this to avoid royalties and also to avoid a tanglement with customers – basically if the logo isn’t on the DVD, there are by no means required to work on any DVD players and when the disks failed to work, it was just tough luck and customers fault (so the argument went at the time).

Regards Indian DVDs, I remember most Indian DVD used to have one of the fake DVD logos and not the official ones. Now most Indian DVDs carry the official logo so you might have case there – but still not sure what, if any quality control measures it covers. Might be worth investigating further.

Similarly Video Sound avoids the DD5.1 argument by labelling their DVD AC3 and not Dolby Digital 5.1 – when its a case of a pseudo mono to 5.1 mix.

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ali wrote:
Similarly Video Sound avoids the DD5.1 argument by labelling their DVD AC3 and not Dolby Digital 5.1 – when its a case of a pseudo mono to 5.1 mix.


I am 100% sure I have seen titles in the past from Video Sound & Eros amongst others which explicitly stated Dolby Digital 5.1 even when the sound was not DD5.1
Although you are right most recent Video Sound titles use the term AC3, which is a requirement of the DVD format in the absence of a PCM track.

Anyhow I think writing and complaining to Dolby and the DVD Licensing corporation cannot really hurt since we don't stand to lose anything.


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