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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:15 pm 
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theon wrote:
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got my copy now (6 days delivery time in the UK)


BUT when listening to the Hindi sound track,
YOU CAN NOT TURN OFF THE FRENCH SUBTITLES!!!!!!!!

french track on and you can turn off the subtitles


oooh, with the amount of money you spent, and the perfection that was promised, i feel your pain man.


You can turn them off with a hacked
player. A hacked player is a must for a videophile.
I compared about 30 minutes of the
two editions. I can not switch instantly due to my HW set up and one version is correctly squeezed
and the other not (which I can decide) so the comparison is not so easy. Also, my PAL is not well calibrated since I watch it almost never. Nonetheless it's obvious that the French PAL version is superior:
- not progressive but 50 fields per second and no field averaging or extra fields
- colors are better
- less noisy/grainy
- better compressed
- maybe sharper too
We are talking decent DEI quality
without DNR. The sharpness of top
DEI or Hollywood is not there, though.
Both DVDs can't hold a candle to
the 35mm print I have seen. Only
the best HD I have looks this good.
Devdas is waiting for a top 1080p
transfer. Then we'll see wicked
things on the home screen.


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I never knew you could do that, although I've never needed to before...ok after messing around with my harman kardon if you set the sub language to french they dont appear when watching with the hindi track on! except for some reason durring songs........

ok now the dvd has no subtitles in french.......mmm still a disapointing pixalated dvd, dhola re dhola is pretty dull and over red....chand jesey larki is on the dvd.......it's better then the eros versions for sure as they were pixelated to hell........fairly grainy image in places too as Mhafner said.........overall......still better then the eros version but not the version we all were waiting for and wanting!


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- not progressive but 50 fields per second and no field averaging or extra fields



I thought in PAL DVDs two fields are derived from each frame, hence 50 fields per second or 25 frames per second? Is a flag necessary on PAL DVDs to be recognized as progressive?


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- not progressive but 50 fields per second and no field averaging or extra fields



I thought in PAL DVDs two fields are derived from each frame, hence 50 fields per second or 25 frames per second? Is a flag necessary on PAL DVDs to be recognized as progressive?


What I meant is that if I step a
progressive NTSC DVD I step 24 times and the second counter moves one. Here I step 50 times (I still
get fields) till the second is used up. It behaves like pseudo progressive NTSC (as we call it here) but it has no pulldown and no motion artifacts.


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mhafner wrote:
DragunR2 wrote:
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- not progressive but 50 fields per second and no field averaging or extra fields



I thought in PAL DVDs two fields are derived from each frame, hence 50 fields per second or 25 frames per second? Is a flag necessary on PAL DVDs to be recognized as progressive?


What I meant is that if I step a
progressive NTSC DVD I step 24 times and the second counter moves one. Here I step 50 times (I still
get fields) till the second is used up. It behaves like pseudo progressive NTSC (as we call it here) but it has no pulldown and no motion artifacts.


DVD is in PAL, so there can be no 2-3 pull down, nor it is required to get the original film frames back, in the case of PAL.
Worth checking if R2 PAL Asoka too has similar encoding (50 steps instead of 25 per sec). I'll check tonite (if no one has done that by then), if ASOKA has 25 or 50 steps. ASOKA gave no combing in Force weave mode in Power DVD, impplying that the original film frames are successfully weaved back.

BTW, I do have one R1 DVD made in UK (Indian music video; crap though), that goes thru 50 steps in 1 sec. I wonder what that is?? NTSC?? PAL?? or ??.

Rana


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Fred wrote:
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But they never picturized "Woh chand jaisi ladki", right? Why would they keep the song in the film for the French audiences and delete it for the Indian audiences?


Anwar wrote:
Is it exactly the same version as the Eros-version? Didn't they cut some scenes?


I have both Eros and Diaphana editions, and I didn't notice any different between the two except the incredible quality difference. So the song "Woh chand jaisi ladki" is present on the DVD the same way it is on Eros version.
I bought the soundtrack of Devdas and it's true that the track of "Woh chand jaisi ladki" is much longer than in the movie. But I've never saw the movie with this song as long as it is on the CD. And I saw the movie in theaters, at home with the Eros DVD and again with the Diaphana DVD. When I saw the film in theaters there were an intermission (real one with a beautifully written text saying "INTERMISSION" on the screen), French subtitles, the picture quality was even better thant the usual occidental movies, and the song we were talking about was present the same way as it it on both Eros and Diaphana editions.
I don't understand it. :o I got the Eros-version too, but there's no "Woh chaand jaisi ladki" on it? :o

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I have an AKAI DVPS-760 player. Is there some hack to disable the french subtitles on the hindi soundtrack?

I also noticed some jagged edges on diagonal objects. Like in the scene where Aishwarya is walking down the stairs to meet a visior at her in-laws house. If I set the mode to FILM, these jagged edges almost go away. But in any other mode like SMART, AUTO etc, they very
noticeable.


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Does anyone has the song "Woh chaand jaisi ladki" in his or her Eros-version of DEVDAS?!?! Image


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No.


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Thank you! I thought I was getting crazy or somethin'! Image


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 Post subject: ASOKA vs DEVDAS PAL
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if ASOKA has 25 or 50 steps. ASOKA gave no combing in Force weave mode in Power DVD, impplying that the original film frames are successfully weaved back.


Asoka is 25fps!


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So, there is a GOD after all.

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DVD Collector wrote:
So, there is a GOD after all.


You must be new to Indian DVDs :D


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So, there is a GOD after all.


You must be new to Indian DVDs :D

God-damn-it-to-bullshit-to-hell-yah!

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I dont go for all that 2in1s and pirates. but i would definitely want to get a hold of pirate copy of this version of Devdas. Just from the shots, it is so much brighter than Eros.

But definitely not worth $50. :?


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