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DragunR2
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By risks I don't mean nude scenes. I simply mean deviating from the norms of storytelling and plot. Tabu has done commercial films like Hera Pheri as well as Astitva and Maqbool, for example. Doing something slightly offbeat does not always entail risking one's career. And for all the talk about rich Indian culture, Indian filmmakers sure seem to love Hollywood scripts. Even Mahesh Bhatt used to make good films like Saaransh and Arth, but now all he does is copy Hollywood thrillers



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EASY way out!! Paisa BACHAO, ya phir, pichli hit films ki KICHDI pakao!!(YRF/JOHARS) :stupid:



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DragunR2
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The window isn't that small.

Inteha (2003)
Fear (1996)

Saaya (2003)
Dragonfly (2002)

Jism (2003)
Body Heat (1981)

Gunaah (2002)
Out of Sight (1998)

Raaz (2002)
What Lies Beneath (2000)

Kasoor (2001)
Unlawful Entry (1992)
Jagged Edge (1985)

Ghulam (1998)
On the Waterfront (1954)

Sangharsh (1999)
Silence of the Lambs (1991)

Dushman (1998)
Eye for an Eye (1996)
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Lagaan was an extremely well made commercial Indian musical film, but like another foreign language nominee that year, Amelie, it wasn't exactly the most profound film.

This is what I mean, everyone I knew liked Lagaan, the young, the old, the masses, the critics, etc and it was a genuinely good film, which is why it was appreciated enough to even get to the nominations stage, whereas with Devas, those who were reviewing it for the nominations entry, found it boring and a few couldn't stand it they had to walk out before it during the film. Of course they probably noticed SRK's overacting too. Even people here at Zulm were embarassed that they sent that for nominations!

Lagaan and Mother India are proof that India can make decent films, that do well commercially - satisfy the masses and are good enough for nominations...and of course we know there were many great films in-between these two that should have been put forward, but it's still up to the board.

But when they think a film like Andaaz could stand a chance, then something is seriously wrong! They should look at more contemporary Indian cinema (even regional languages) because the majority of commerial 'bollywood' films are definitely not oscar material. I'm not surprised 'the Terrorist' wasn't sent a few years back as John Malkovich had to promote it, for it to get recognition in the west, it would've otherwise been a forgotten film for Indians.

Mahesh Bhatt is a sell-out! I hate all his 'newer' films.

btw, I don't think even Amilie won that year.
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Of course they probably noticed SRK's overacting too.

I still remmber that scene on the bridge with drunk SRK. YUCk!! :nervous: :angry: I object! :baaa:
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DVD Collector
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Mr_Khiladi wrote:
This is what I mean, everyone I knew liked Lagaan, the young, the old, the masses, the critics, etc and it was a genuinely good film, which is why it was appreciated enough to even get to the nominations stage, whereas with Devas, those who were reviewing it for the nominations entry, found it boring and a few couldn't stand it they had to walk out before it during the film. Of course they probably noticed SRK's overacting too. Even people here at Zulm were embarassed that they sent that for nominations!

Forget the fact that Devdas didn't get an Oscar nomination, but even more evident enough that a bunch of distasteful people that found Devdas to be a bad movie and eventually walked out on it only shows cleaver filmmaking wasn't in there evaluation book. Like Aryan pointed out earlier, BAFTA is incomparably better in their selection of nominees than the Oscars. The list of films nominated for Best Foreign Film at BAFTA the year Devdas was in competition is considerably better to all the films nominated at the Oscars the same year. Let's not forget; The same people that walked out on Devdas, also walked out on City of God! another genuinely great film. Richard Corliss felt that the film(Devdas) should have been in the competition category at Cannes competing for the Palme d'Or.

Another Oscar fact: they didn't think too much of Guru Dutt's masterpiece Sahib Bibi Aur Ghulam.

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Those 9 films are only from one filmmaker. Even if every film isn't necessarily a direct lift from a specific film, many others are based on various formulas that have been used to death, with little or nothing interesting or new in how they are used.
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spike86 wrote:
Mr_Khiladi wrote:
Of course they probably noticed SRK's overacting too.

I still remmber that scene on the bridge with drunk SRK. YUCk!! :nervous: :angry: I object! :baaa:

That was an amazing scene. And Shah Rukh was quite meticulous with his performance as well. This act should be judged for its psychological merit. He was demanding and self-contradicting all at once; he appeal's for Paro's love, while ultimately knowing that he could never have her.

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spike86 wrote:
Mr_Khiladi wrote:
Of course they probably noticed SRK's overacting too.

I still remmber that scene on the bridge with drunk SRK. YUCk!! :nervous: :angry: I object! :baaa:

That was an amazing scene. And Shah Rukh was quite meticulous with his performance as well. This act should be judged for its psychological merit. He was demanding and self-contradicting all at once; he appeal's for Paro's love, while ultimately knowing that he could never have her.

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I found Devdas to be a entertaining Bollywood with great songs and some shiny crap. But it was no Oscar worthy material. May be some Indian award for having some much shiny crap. I do not think SRK can excel in roles other than the happy go lucky guy. Thats my opinion!:baaa:

BTW, 'CITY OF GOD' is an amazing movie. I've seen it twice already. :thumbs:
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I found Devdas to be a entertaining Bollywood with great songs and some shiny crap. But it was no Oscar worthy material. May be some Indian award for having some much shiny crap. I do not think SRK can excel in roles other than the happy go lucky guy. Thats my opinion!:baaa:

BTW, 'CITY OF GOD' is an amazing movie. I've seen it twice already. :thumbs:

An opinion is an opinion, it's all good.

But the fact that Shah Rukh Khan's performance in Devdas can't be glorified, only makes me believe that he's quite underestimated. He does have the habit to repeat role after role, but given certain roles, he's mannerism fits appositely from what is required out of the character. A seemingly contradictory performance that may nonetheless be true; he is charming as the Devdas who knew nothing about love during the first half, and is equally sadistic about a character in the second half who knew nothing but love.

And all that "shiny crap" to me, is Bhansali's brilliant deptiction of matching style to theme. Which I'm convinced, is ahead of it's time.

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DEVDAS was ENTERTAININg/GOOD LOOKING film, with DARN GOOD MUSIC for HINDI VIEWERS TASTE but BOTTOM LINE IS:

IT WAS NOT OSCAR MATERIAL< mere yaar! :baaa: :bangbang: :nopity: :stupid:
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arsh wrote:
IT WAS NOT OSCAR MATERIAL< mere yaar! :baaa: :bangbang: :nopity: :stupid:

Well ofcourse not, has the Academy ever given an award to a film that's dark & gothic? I don't think so.

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I am not talking abt ACADEMY here!!

I am talking abt INDIA SHAMELESSLY sending as their OFFICIAL NOMINATION/ENTRY for OSCARS FOREIGN FILM CATEGORY! :nopity:
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That's another issue altogheter. And the IFF is really clueless as to what kind of films the Academy favours. If there are filmmakers in Indian Cinema that one day hope there film can win India an Oscar, make a film structured around the theory of positivism.

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Let's not forget; The same people that walked out on Devdas, also walked out on City of God! another genuinely great film. Richard Corliss felt that the film(Devdas) should have been in the competition category at Cannes competing for the Palme d'Or.

They should be shot for walking out of City of God, but I can quite understand them walking out of Devdas. City of God was way better than Devdas, so it's not right to put them in the same light, though Devdas is still one of the 'better films' to come out of India in recent years, but it is still not good enough to be nominated.

No way should Devdas be competing for the Palme d'or, no matter what Corlis says. I'm glad it didn't compete.

I hope they don't send Salman Khan's version of "Sahib Bibi Aur Ghulam", when they didn't think much of the original, yes I agree that it's a shame they didn't like the original, but sometimes it could be a hidden cultural prejudice for the jury responsible for reviewing the films.
Did India even send Bimal Roy's Devdas many years ago?
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