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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 7:13 pm 
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Found it really interesting what Ram Gopal Verma said and Arsh :D has been saying all along:

" Mainstream cinema is dying ," he insists. "Karan Johar and Yash Chopra are just about the only ones who can do blockbusters. Everything else is slowly breaking the formula."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 512071.cms

Just in case, the link goes stale, I'm pasting that article here, for further discussion:

'I want my films to irritate people


TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 2004 12:43:24 PM ]


MUMBAI: "I can't bear people who come to me saying they want to make films from the heart," says Ram Gopal Varma , his eyebrows arching to reflect his sufferance. "I'd rather make films from the groin." He pauses for effect, then continues, "I want to make films that pinch people. I don't mind irritating them, but I can't bear to make nice, cute films. Main Madhuri Dixit Banna Chahti Hoon is the only cute film I made," he says, with a twinge of embarrassment, even surprise, at himself.

So, stand warned, all ye millions queuing up for Ramuji to produce your films—his intentions are way due south of yours.

Ramuji is the David-like gladiator of Indian cinema, fighting an overblown, decadent system. " Mainstream cinema is dying ," he insists. "Karan Johar and Yash Chopra are just about the only ones who can do blockbusters. Everything else is slowly breaking the formula."

No wonder that while the cream of Bollywood was dancing at the Sahara weddings last week, for Ramuji, it was business at usual at his forbiddingly chic Andheri office called The Factory. This, although the ink is barely dry on a joint venture between Sahara, Varma Corp Ltd and K Sera Sera to produce ten films, with Sahara bringing in Rs 35 crore. "It helps to have a reputation as an eccentric," he says with a shrug.

The eccentric is, in fact, systematically moving down the entertainment food chain—from director to producer to distributor. As he told Time magazine, "I'm in that position now, you know? (to tell distributors) 'F—-you, take it or get out." He elaborates, "I'm too tired to convince distributors all the time. The only way out is to distribute films myself. We already distributed Bhoot in Nizam (parts of Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra) and are doing Ab Tak Chhapan in Mumbai territory." In fact, The Factory plans to distribute its own films in Mumbai and Nizam, and will have a joint venture with PVR to distribute films in the Delhi-UP territory.

The forthcoming Ab Tak Chhapan , by debut director and Bhoot editor Shimit Amin, is about police encounters and a cop, who has killed 56 people so far. Isn't there usually a sense of amorality in Ramuji's films that deal with violence? " Ab Tak Chhapan is about a cop's fake encounters," he says. "But it's a job society gives him to safeguard them from menace. Yet, we sit in the safety of our drawing rooms and pass judgment on them and that's not on. It’s irresponsible to make good and bad judgments just like that, where the good guy beats up the bad guy in the end."

So, is the challenge of directing films losing its shine? "I love to make films. But it's an illusion that a director is someone special. All you need is clarity and vision, and passion to tell a story. I don't go on the sets of the films I am producing. I'm sure Ab Tak Chhapan would be a far superior film than what I would have made because it's Shimit's vision."

Significantly, the last film he produced, Ek Hasina Thi , directed by Sriram Raghavan, was to have been co-produced and distributed by Hollywood major Twentieth Century Fox, but the deal fell through. However, Ramuji would rather look forward than look back.

Finally, what is the possibility that Mani Ratnam, Shekhar Kapur and Ram Gopal Varma, whose India Talkies had produced Ratnam's Dil Se , will collaborate again? "Shekhar is a brilliant director and Mani has a great sense of cinema aesthetics. But Mani hates my films and thinks I'm a brat. And Shekhar thinks I'm a con man. So, it won't happen again," he says firmly.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:11 pm 
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'It's all about loving your lovings'. I loved it when he took a jab at the Karan Johar movies in Company. :devil: :baaa:


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Here is another opinion from Vaibhav Kothari a 23 years old living in New York City. REDIFF.

http://www.rediff.com/movies/2004/feb/24vaibhav.htm

Some excerpts:

We need more from films than garbage

A great problem has run amok in Indian cinema over the past decade. There is a trend of so-called blockbusters which most filmmakers conform to over about two genres.

Family Love Stories

A few examples of films which adhere to the conventions of this genre include such works as Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham, Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon, Taal, Pardes, Mujhse Dosti Karoge, and Kal Ho Naa Ho.

They are quite often released under the Rajshri, Yash Raj Films, or Mukta Arts Ltd banners.

What do these films have in common?

First, the very obvious. A good number of these films make a fairly ridiculous assumption about the demographics of the Indian public that they portray. It seems the main characters are almost always two things: very rich and very Punjabi.

As for the Punjabi element, the characters portrayed in these movies often have one of four possible last names: Malhotra, Khanna, Kapoor or Chopra ( He forgot Seth) . With that Punjabi identity comes the need to Bhangra and mouth off songs that undoubtedly begin or end with 'Soniye' or 'Mahive.'

Another convention for movies in the family love stories genre is the absolute lack of a meaningful and coherent storyline. They are simply star and song-driven vehicles that hype themselves based on their oft-repeated star cast (Shah Rukh Khan, Hrithik Roshan, Kareena Kapoor or Amitabh Bachchan), or on their music (Jatin-Lalit, Anu Malik, and sometimes A R Rahman). This is evident from the way the Indian media focuses on the 'music' and 'promos' of the movies before their release.

All in all, this genre considers telling a good story secondary to showing off huge mansions, fancy clothes, Bhangra numbers and foreign locales.

So why should the producers care?
The public loves it. The media adores them.

War Movies

A few examples of this particular genre include Qayamat, Zameen, Border, Sarfarosh and please insert any recent Sunny Deol movie title here.

But why should they care?
The public loves it. The media adores them.

The Core Problem


Why do such movies get made over and over again until there is virtually nothing to distinguish them apart?

We the audience are primarily to blame. We would rather flock to a big budget star-driven production of a major banner than an independent film that dares to take a different look at the world. We would rather see half-hearted Hindi remakes of regional hits from South India and Bengali cinema, than view the original product with subtitles. We would rather embrace movies that were 'inspired by' other films (read scene to scene blatant copy) than see something refreshingly new.

Just as equally to blame is the Indian media which reverently covers such films and declares them to be the next greatest thing to hit the big screen.

Media-driven major award shows like Filmfare celebrate these films as the finest that India has to offer. Finest in terms of box-office or content? If it is content, only a fool can say with a straight face that a moving and well-written script like that of Pinjar or Teen Deewarein was not better than Kal Ho Naa Ho or Chalte Chalte.

While Filmfare makes no qualms about being a popular awards show, the problem is how the media portrays this as India's answer to the Oscars. With all due respect, this is an insult to the Oscars and what they stand for.

It is time we demand more from some of our big banners and refuse to eat the garbage they stuff down our throats.

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"one of four possible last names: Malhotra, Khanna, Kapoor or Chopra ( He forgot Seth) "

I heard from some elder about unwritten tradition among these five families marrying within. Anyone interested: WHY??




Edited By rana on 1077641700


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Does Pardes have Punjabi elements and characters? I thought it was set in Uttar Pradesh...



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Aryan wrote:
Does Pardes have Punjabi elements and characters? I thought it was set in Uttar Pradesh...

Pardes seems to be set in area around Agra-Mathura in UP, Rajasthan-Haryana areas around Agra-Mathura as per song "Nain Honna Tha, Nai Honna Tha, Nai Honna Tha". Looks like, no hint of Madhya Pradesh (Gwalior, Bundelkhand) around Agra-Mathura.

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