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Zoran009
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LoC stumbles, KHNH wins abroad

Arthur J Pais | January 05, 2004 15:45 IST


Comedy, romance and melodrama held more appeal than patriotism and high sentiment abroad over the weekend.

Entering its final first-run release Kal Ho Naa Ho reached $4 million in its fifth week in North America and United Kingdom, while the newcomer LoC-Kargil fell hard at the box-office.

In the UK, LOC grossed just about $80,000 on 27 screens at the 14th position on the box-office chart, while KHNH grossed about $110,000 at 12 screens over the year-ending weekend. In America, too, LoC was just not winning. The film could end up with just about $400,000 in both markets.

Munnabhai MBBS was 15th on the British charts, having earned $120,000 in two weeks. It was not a winner in America too. It is estimated to gross $110,000.

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While KHNH was also a smash hit in North America, it looks it is ending its run with about $1.9 million there while in United Kingdom it obviously was more popular as its gross there reached $2.1 million, with a few more thousands to come in the next week.

Yash Raj Films made more from the film in UK than in the US, even though the film played on just about 30 screens, as opposed to 40 screens in the US.

The film also set a record of sorts in Britain with the best per screen average there for three weeks in succession.

Two things were reiterated by the recent box-office verdicts: the risk of the desi war movies in the international market, and Sanjay Dutt's lack of appeal to the overseas audiences.

Like Govinda and several other actors who enjoy success in India but fail abroad, Dutt too has had an unlucky streak. Though Munnabhai, with its $350,000 gross on both sides of the Atlantic, has fared much better than most of his recent movies.

LoC proved once again that unless a war-themed movie strikes a massively powerful chord, as Mission Kashmir did in UK and North America a few years ago, it will be a loser.

For one thing, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, who often constitute nearly 40 per cent of the audiences for hit Bollywood films, stay out. So if Mission Kashmir becomes a success abroad, it is mostly due to the repeat business they have from Indian and West Indies immigrants.



***It is a BHED CHAL..films like lOC r not CHEEZY affair!!

KHNH, is CHARBA MIXTURE FORCEFULLY ADDED EVENTS SONGS, DISASTROUSLY LENGTHY TO THE EXTENT OF BORING, with some good acting indeed by main actors, including JAYA BACHAN..believe me, it is no more worth than AVERAGE!!

Dont talk about UK, Munna bhaii was going HOUSEFULL too..

If no UK desis, YRF/Johars will not EXIST!
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arsh wrote:
***It is a BHED CHAL..films like lOC r not CHEEZY affair!!

KHNH, is CHARBA MIXTURE FORCEFULLY ADDED EVENTS SONGS, DISASTROUSLY LENGTHY TO THE EXTENT OF BORING, with some good acting indeed by main actors, including JAYA BACHAN..believe me, it is no more worth than AVERAGE!!


Keeping Politics and Reality/ Un-reality aside:

Saw both films on consecutive days.

LOC, despite having no story, when seen in THX theatre was an experience. Sound effects were as good as in T-3.

KHNH was just an ordinary film.

In LOC I was fully awake for the whole duration (4 hrs 10 min) and in KHNH it was difficult to stay awake.

Rana



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I saw khnh in one of best London theatre, its sound was not good at all, same for munna bhaii, in UK main stream theatre!

JP has flavour to capture vista, his border audio was spectacular too
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After seeing both films, I think I prefer LOC. KHNH was soppy, predictable, and took so long for SRK to die! It also suffered from they idiotic sense of humor (the 3 auntys) which I guess most Indians must like for it to survive for so long.

Although LOC was long I found it enjoyable. 1 or 2 songs were not needed though and went on for too long. I was dissapointed to see that the swearing in LOC was edited out, I guess because it offended older audiences. Alot of people I spoke to don't want to see LOC because of the length and I think the swearing in some versions will repel older or more conservative audience members (i.e. don't take your family to see it).
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Mr_Khiladi wrote:
I think the swearing in some versions will repel older or more conservative audience members (i.e. don't take your family to see it).

I think, censors has removed all the swearing. The version I saw, swearing was muted out but what they uttered was obvious to adults and not to kids. Actually, kids liked the film more, for the Gun blasts.

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LOC is 4 hours long, so theaters have to do fewer shows, while KHNH is probably only about 3 hours long. Only an hour difference, but 4 hours is an unusual length for even an Indian film.



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LOC, despite having no story, when seen in THX theatre was an experience. Sound effects were as good as in T-3.

KHNH was just an ordinary film.

In LOC I was fully awake for the whole duration (4 hrs 10 min) and in KHNH it was difficult to stay awake.

Rana

arsh

I saw khnh in one of best London theatre, its sound was not good at all, same for munna bhaii, in UK main stream theatre!

JP has flavour to capture vista, his border audio was spectacular too


No offence, but this is where I find most Indians really get suckered in. Big and loud means good sound - soft and subtle denotes mediocrity to them. Why would KHNH require loud explosions and airplanes flying over in DTS? KHNH had pretty decent sync sound (save for some bits) - not great, but nothing to complain about. Munnabhai was very tasteful too (though ADR).

Border's sound was atrocious - loud, vulgar, distorted. Flyovers for the sake of flyovers. It also featured poorly synced ADR. In fact there is a scene where there is a voice over a Sikh man who isn't even speaking at all!!! How stupid can both the filmmaker and the audience really get? I saw this in a DTS hall and I've seen it on TV as well. The sound of bombs, planes, hits and thumps were also just stock sounds from other sources - not very good ones at that - and repeated throughout.

Why is there so much poor ADR? Very likely because there's no script while shooting - and they can't remember during dubbing what was the exact dialogue while taking the shot. Pathetic! Same thing for Anil Sharma. These 70s and 80s filmmakers are the epitome of mediocrity and its just sad that most Indians can't tell.

You want excellent action film audio? Watch Mission Kashmir - and tell the J.P. Duttas, Subhash Ghais and Anil Sharmas to watch - and learn. Incidentally, I've realised recently that the man behind the sound for Mission Kashmir also did Steven Spielberg's 'Band of Brothers'. Maybe it was too much to hope for - expecting an Indian to have done it.



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Aryan wrote:
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LOC, despite having no story, when seen in THX theatre was an experience. Sound effects were as good as in T-3.

KHNH was just an ordinary film.

Rana



No offence, but this is where I find most Indians really get suckered in. Big and loud means good sound - soft and subtle denotes mediocrity to them. Why would KHNH require loud explosions and airplanes flying over in DTS? KHNH had pretty decent sync sound (save for some bits) - not great, but nothing to complain about.

Well, that's the way I like audio in a "Big Screen Big Sound" theatre. Loud and Blasting Bass.

I never said, KHNH sound was bad or lacking anything. I just said, "LOC THX screening was an experience, where as, KHNH was a regular Bollywood stuff".

I never got a chance to see Mission Kashmir in a good theatre. Audio on DVD is pretty good, but it's only my home set up. I'll try to get a demo of it's audio in some Home Theatre shop's well set up listening room.

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Mk was mindblowing on big screen!

For diologue based movie, and musical, still KHNH lacks punch, KMG was better off on DD...Dramas dont have to be flat front channel only driven, even lacking ambience when 5.1 mix is used!

LOC, I agree, esp in UK I found, Pakistani audience make a HUGE HUGE majority of cinema going audience, so presenting, one way tainted view, with cursing, heavy dose, on a 4 hr war movie, imho, wont sell, there esp..

In India, u have to make a BIASED on way CROWD PLEASING, with OVER WRITTEN LOUD DIOLOGUES to sell well, on the other hand.
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monizam wrote:
How many new movies are released in the USA during the muslim month of Ramadan--
At least at the Everest in Irving don't remember them
having shows everyday..
So even if LOC was edited to 2.5 hrs would make no difference..The movie goers dont like the way LOC was made..So they just bycott it..Makes sense to me

That's true. Patriotic stuff like LOC, Gadar, Hero, etc. does poorly in the West.

Aryan, the comment about bombastic sound is not relegated to Indians. I've read a lot of DVD reviews that give higher points to something like Lord of the Rings over a quieter, more dialogue driven soundtrack, simply because the rears weren't constantly engaged. Constant rear ambience might fatigue listeners' ears, and they might tune it out after a while anyways.
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Aryan wrote:
Why is there so much poor ADR? Very likely because there's no script while shooting - and they can't remember during dubbing what was the exact dialogue while taking the shot. Pathetic! Same thing for Anil Sharma. These 70s and 80s filmmakers are the epitome of mediocrity and its just sad that most Indians can't tell.


In many Indian movies shot outside India, usually the white or black person always talk with an Indian accent. I find that very funny. The Indian filmmakers should use more sync sound recording when shooting the movie.
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Aryan, the comment about bombastic sound is not relegated to Indians. I've read a lot of DVD reviews that give higher points to something like Lord of the Rings over a quieter, more dialogue driven soundtrack, simply because the rears weren't constantly engaged. Constant rear ambience might fatigue listeners' ears, and they might tune it out after a while anyways.

The Lord Of The Rings films really do feature excellent sound design, recording and presentation. As such, to me, they are deserving of almost any accolade. It is a difficult task to make a soundtrack like that of LOTR as well as it has been done - and Border misses that by a mile and a half. Border is loud. And that's it. Everything else about the sound (and the film as well) is just a sorry reflection of the lack of pride with which Indians do anything.
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Feel the AMBIENCE and PRESENCE of BACKGROUND SCORE around u, in LOTR, I am not talking about action sequence, talking about sound stage and remix..Indian, directors, recordist, DD remix guys, dont have a clue, how to REMIX a sound track..for best effects..

It does not have to have directional effects to be GOOD all the time..
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Aryan wrote:
DragunR2 wrote:
Aryan, the comment about bombastic sound is not relegated to Indians. I've read a lot of DVD reviews that give higher points to something like Lord of the Rings over a quieter, more dialogue driven soundtrack, simply because the rears weren't constantly engaged. Constant rear ambience might fatigue listeners' ears, and they might tune it out after a while anyways.

The Lord Of The Rings films really do feature excellent sound design, recording and presentation. As such, to me, they are deserving of almost any accolade. It is a difficult task to make a soundtrack like that of LOTR as well as it has been done - and Border misses that by a mile and a half. Border is loud. And that's it. Everything else about the sound (and the film as well) is just a sorry reflection of the lack of pride with which Indians do anything.

The LOTR films feature terrific sound design, but I was commenting on the DVD reviewers that complain about, say, a comedy soundtrack that doesn't have a whole lot going on in the rears.

Sound is pretty difficult to record, especially on location, since the sound can't be recorded too high or too low. And creating something with a "synthetic" soundtrack like LOTR or Star Wars is a time consuming process. Not that LOTR-like films are ever made in India, but a war film or an action film requires a lot of work as well, so it is no surprise to me when a film like Border has a mediocre mix.
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LOC, despite having no story, when seen in THX theatre was an experience. Sound effects were as good as in T-3.

KHNH was just an ordinary film.

Rana



No offence, but this is where I find most Indians really get suckered in. Big and loud means good sound - soft and subtle denotes mediocrity to them. Why would KHNH require loud explosions and airplanes flying over in DTS? KHNH had pretty decent sync sound (save for some bits) - not great, but nothing to complain about.

Well, that's the way I like audio in a "Big Screen Big Sound" theatre. Loud and Blasting Bass.


Rana

LOC is back at Square One in Toronto after disappearing last week. If you like to see Big Screen Big Sound Indian film, watch LOC at Square One THX theatre. This may be your last chance to see LOC in Toronto THX theatre.

Only one show daily @ 8:45 PM.

Rana



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