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Just watched LOC. It did not come up to my expectation because it did not just focus on war. Not only it was bad directing, the movie theme shouldn’t be that longer if you would have cut the songs, the women’s part. There is no predictment in the movie, you know what’s going to happen to each characters. The way they fight in the movie, instead of making you sad, it turns out to be funny, more like a commercial masala flik. No realism. I have watched many war movies, I would say Border did a better job than this one. I wouldn’t be surprised if this movie wins a award, this probably the best movie ever made for the indians but for us abroad viewers, who have seen many realisic war movies, this is a joke. The back ground music sounded like its been copied from "Black Hawk Down", the songs in the movie were very long and it does bore you. The only part I liked was some of the characters talk, it was funny, especially Manoj Bajpai and Ashutosh Rana. This movie would have been better if they would have used new characters instead of all the bollywood actors, but we all know our indian audience wouldnt like to see new faces. We also know that our indian audience wont watch a movie if the movie don’t have any womens (beautiful womens).

I do have respect for the real hero’s for their bravery; I hope they did not fight like the people in movie, maybe more smarter way. Is this bravery – you see 6 enemies all looking the other way, you are 3 behind them, you know if you run at them, you are surely get killed, but you do also know if you sit and duck down and then shoot, there is a possibility you can get all of them and less chance of dying, but instead you run “Jai Kali, Jai Durga Ma” and boom you get shot, but with 10 bullets in your chest, you still get to kill one of them. If this sounds bravery this is the movie for you, and if you think this is stupidity, then you might don’t want to waste your $8 well if you are getting bored out of your mind, go for it. For people who are getting mad at this review, what can I say, this is how I felt, remember its just my opinion and yes i am an indian from india and yes i love my country very much and yes i do admire our brave soldiers

Silly or Good stuff? : In the beginning as usual Hindi movies, you get to see everybody’s wife, girlfriend. There is close to 10 big heroes, popular bollywood actors in the movie and you get to see everybody’s love. After that here comes the 11 min song. 30 min gone. Then there is a phone part, again we get to see the phone circling around everyone. Lots and lots of memories flashback of their wives as soon as they get shot.

The Action: the fighting strategy in the movie is terrible. Madarchod, tune mere dost ko mara…kutte Pakistani, teri ma ki….deeshooom deeshooom….Yogendar, en benchodo ne mujhe goli maar di…sorry yaar, meine tera badla nahi le paya...yes there is language in the movie but its half cut off, you do get what they are saying, thank you to the subtitles which makes it clearly...

Scene 2: Jai ma durga, jai ma kali, jai ma sarswati….sir I cannot wait for it to be morning, I am going ALONE…..in top there are 10 pakis with machine gun, thops, eyeing right at our hero….our hero breaks the army rule and runs on top to kill all of them and deeeeshooom, our hero dies….here comes the sad music and flash back of his fiance, you suppose to cry at this part, lol

I felt very bad for the real soldiers who got the award for fighting this war, the actors protray them very badly. I believe if RGV, Sanjay Bansali or Yashraj or maybe Karan Johar makes this film, they would have done a better job. This director have done a better job in making films in past, but he messed this one up really bad. This is not from bottom of his heart, its all about the money. He knew if he puts all the stars, it will be the biggest blockbuster and people will go crazy to see this. Yup he did get me aswell, sob, gotta give him props for that. I had 2 other friends with me, they were about to leave in the middle, I had to tell them, common dudes, we have seen so many hindi flicks and we sit till the end, lets give this one a try aswell. I paid $24 too ($8/ticket, 3 ppl), not going to let it go waste.

This movie does make you think, comparing to american soldiers or any other foreign soldeirs, atleast one of them have one of those telescope guns and our indian soldiers dont have any. All they got is AK42, whatever the name is, and told them to run towards the enemy nomatter if there are 100. For watchers, its stupidity, even a small child can figure this out, if he gets out he will get shot and for some people this might sound bravery. Its really sad, how our armys are not equipped with proper guns, amos etc. Its really sad to see how our armys dont have helicopeters/war planes when you need them. If they would have used it, there will be less casualties, and i think those 18 brave kurnals who died might be alive. If this movie is protraying excatly, every single sequence true, then its pathetic. Sorry guys, I did not enjoy it.


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I seriously think Taran Adarsh gets paid to do good reviews!! Does anyone else get this feeling! :rolleyes:


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pillairaj wrote:
I seriously think Taran Adarsh gets paid to do good reviews!! Does anyone else get this feeling! :rolleyes:

Adarsh's reviews are held in low esteem here. He usually judges a movie based on how much money he thinks it will make.

Indian filmmakers need to get a grasp on basic filmmaking and scriptwriting as well as matters of historical and technical authenticity before attempting something as ambitious and meticulous as a war film. I hope Farhan Akhtar has what it takes to make Lakshya a good film.


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Very poorly scripted and directed film and to make matters worse, the dialogues are also very poorly written. Rather than being a tribute to the brave soldiers who lost their lives, the film turns oiut to be a joke. Instead of moving you it makes you laugh at times at the stupidity (disguised as bravery) portrayed in the film. I say if you want to watch a good film then go watch Munnabhai MBBS, I promise you won't regret it.


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Sanjay wrote:
Very poorly scripted and directed film and to make matters worse, the dialogues are also very poorly written. Rather than being a tribute to the brave soldiers who lost their lives, the film turns oiut to be a joke. Instead of moving you it makes you laugh at times at the stupidity (disguised as bravery) portrayed in the film. I say if you want to watch a good film then go watch Munnabhai MBBS, I promise you won't regret it.

spot on m8 i haven't seen LOC and i don't intend to infact i haven't seen any of jp nuts films BUT munnabhai mbbs is a a very funny film from a 1st time director and a good way to end the year i urge u guy's to watch it u won't be disapointed :bash: :bash:


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Munnabhai is really funny and well-directed - right from the Vidhu Vinod Chopra stable in terms of quality. Did anyone notice the background score was from other VVC films like Mission Kashmir and Kareeb?


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Just out of interest, has anyone here seen Dhoop? I thought that was a pretty good movie, and gave some insight into what a soldier's family goes through.


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i intend to watch a pirate DVD copy of LOC very soon.. I hope jp dutta loses as much money as possible.............


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i have seen dhoop...indeed its a very good emotional true story drama...this movie is in my purchasing list...


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I saw Dhoop two days after seeing LOC and I must say that it is a better film than the latter. But I must also add that the film was also quiet dissapointing, I specially did not understand the need for the director to change the anmes of the characters. I felt it took a lot away from the film for the characters to have been renamed. Also it would have been a better marketing strategy to have released the film after LOC. I am sure the film would have done a lot better now when people would be more familiar with the character of Capt. Anuj Nayyar.


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faddy wrote:
i intend to watch a pirate DVD copy of LOC very soon.. I hope jp dutta loses as much money as possible.............

Come now Faddy we all know what axe you have to grind with J.P Dutta :)


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I ordered Dhoop with my latest order from Indiaweekly, and was very surprised with it. I thought it was a reasonably well made film (considering it's budget), and was pretty sensitive. Certainly one of the better films I've seen recently.


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I saw LOC in THX theatre. It was an Audio and Video feast. It's not a film, it's an experience if seen in a proper theatre.

The director already stated, there is no story. But, still it's an experience to see it in THX certified theatre on humongous screen. Audio was un-mistakenly coming from distinct speakers/ directions. Bass was thunderous. I found it as good as in T-3.
(I also saw KHNH, the next day, at Albion, and it was a dud in comparison to LOC; may be, I would have liked KHNH better if I saw it at I-Max with proper DTS?? Anyway, after watching it at Albion, I didn’t find KHNH interesting enough to see it again even if I get a chance to see it in I-Max).

Most of the times, I didn’t pay attention to who the actor was or didn’t recognize the actor, but characters were obvious. That shows effectiveness of the makeup and intensity of the film. Yes, the sketches were very intense, but not gruesome enough. Not even one tenth of what was in the news, in Kargil days.
WHATEVER happened to the news about Indian Soldiers’ bodies found with their vital organs cut off and eyes gouged out. Perhaps JP Dutta showed a toned down version of the war or perhaps he wanted to be politically correct?? Or may be it was in the first 15 min of the film that I missed??
AND, whatever happened to the use of AIR FORCE?? Air Force was used quite a bit in the actual Kargil war (as per news) but the film showed only 2 or 3 instances of Hellicopter use for troops movement only, and that was all. Showing Hellicopter Gunships and Fighter Aircraft in action would have added to the experience (Top Gun). May be it was too expensive to film Fighter Aircraft sequences??
Another thing; When the Roadway was in clear vision and in direct range of the infiltrators, why did their guns not hit any of the Indian military convoy?? I’m sure many were hit, but was not shown in the film.

Grieving was shown for the Indian dead, why not for the other side too. They too were loved by someone.

Rana

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As per the manager of the theatre (Square One), it was the full original version. Counting from actual start of the film to the end, counting intermission time out, it was 4 hrs and 10 min long. It was a DD presentation in THX certified theatre.




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I had previously said in a post that it was silly for a soldier to be shot many times and still survive. Apparently it was true that the soldier in particular - Yogendra Singh Yadav (played by Manoj Bajpai) did take many bullets in the Kargil war and still survived.

I found the film quite enjoyable and not as bad as some people have made it out to be. I think some songs were not needed and one of them in the second half was annoyingly long.

However the version I saw at Cineworld, Feltham UK, had the swearing edited out and as there was alot of swearing 9 the most I've seen in a bollywood film) this became very silly as the film progressed. The subtitles even had the word's printed like mother£*&!@?. Then what was the point of editing it out? I understand it may offend some older and more conservative members of the audience, but there should've instead been a warning before the film, or on the poster. I wonder if all versions are edited and whether they may do this on the DVD also!


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Hey Khiladi dude u too, UK london?

cineworld, is the theatre in a shopping mall, man it STUNK, and theatre was very small too..I was disappointed!


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