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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:40 am 
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I think its always amusing when Western reviewers try to review Bollywood films, as so many nuances and cultural references are lost on them. I came across this review by Brian Camp for IMDB, and was quite humored by it. He reviews the dismal 'Dhai Akshar Prem Ke' (the worst part of the film was this ten minute long solo 'comic' act by Kader Khan) and gives it a glowing recommendation!!! Here it is, and what do you think? :

"DHAAI AKSHAR PREM KE is a hopelessly contrived and overly melodramatic musical romance from Bollywood, yet it deserves attention because of its central performance by the reigning queen of Bollywood, Aishwarya Rai. The beautiful Rai is seen to much better effect in such exemplary romantic spectaculars as HUM DIL DE CHUKE SANAM, TAAL, and DEVDAS, but she is quite compelling here playing a girl hopelessly in love with a man pining for someone else and ultimately forced, as she is in so many films, to marry a man she doesn't love.

A perennial staple of the melodramatic form is the misunderstanding that escalates to a point where it becomes too late to tell the truth and straighten things out. Here a young college girl from a traditional family, Sahiba (Rai), is rescued, first from attackers and then from a suicide attempt, by Karan (Abhishek Bachchan), a young army captain on leave. He takes her home to her family's rural estate and is assumed to be her new husband and welcomed enthusiastically by all the relatives but the girl's angry father, Yogi (Amrish Puri), who had opposed her going away. With each heart-warming ritual and ceremony, Karan becomes more and more a part of the family even though he is in love with a girl back home and eager to get back to her. Gradually, Sahiba grows to love him and eventually tells him so and begs him not to go.

To make a long story (167 minutes) short, Karan runs out on Sahiba only to learn that things at home are not what he thought they were. He returns to Sahiba's home to reclaim her, only to find her about to be married to the son of one of Yogi's business partners. Things take a particularly egregious melodramatic turn when two characters resort to some old-fashioned villainy (all that's missing are twirling mustaches), including tying up two of the protagonists to posts in a factory which is then set on fire. Having proved himself a man of action battling terrorists in the film's opening sequence, Karan gets an opportunity to be a two-fisted, pistol-shooting hero again in the film's implausible finale.

With the exception of a magnificent ceremonial number performed by Rai and a number of ornately dressed back-up dancers at the film's midway point, the songs are rather simply staged and consist largely of fantasy duets performed by Rai and Bachchan against exotic Indian backdrops and such far-flung locations as Scotland and Switzerland. The abrupt changes in setting (and costume) are rather jarring and tend to break the mood of the film and slow down the narrative.

The film remains worth seeing for Rai's moving portrayal of an anguished village girl who is both eager to break out of her traditional family structure yet is clearly nourished and empowered by the strong support she gets from her mother, grandmother, aunts and uncles. Rai's expressive eyes and mouth convey in heart-breaking fashion the gradual buildup of love for the man who rescued her and her anxiety at the prospect of him leaving. Even amidst the outlandish turn of events on display here, Rai proves what a superb film actress she is, expressing a full spectrum of emotions, from joy and contentment to fear and suicidal despair, never once striking a false note."


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IMO Western reviewers, except when reviewing arthouse fare, come to Hindi movies with almost a condescending tone, as in "Oh, look at the lovely melodrama and musical numbers." It's not quite that overt, but I think that sometimes they're making allowances for a film that they might have hated if it was a Hollywood production.

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A perennial staple of the melodramatic form is the misunderstanding that escalates to a point where it becomes too late to tell the truth and straighten things out.


I bet this guy would have rolled his eyes if this happened in some American film. "Perennial staple" usually means "cliche."

DAPK may be a good film, I don't know since I haven't seen it. But from the review it sounds like more of the same old stuff. Plus, any film with Aish in it can't be very good :)


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What's even more amusing than Western reviews is the reviews by the Indian people. For the people (Indian and even non-Indian) that don't hate Bollywood movies for its cheesy style, they seem to call the majority of recent Bollywood films as all "good" movies, when at best they are so-so stylistic B-movies. Whenever I go to an Indian video store and ask the guys there what is really good or when I read Bollywood reviews on Bollywood internet sites and try an find out what is so-so, fair, good, great, or a masterpiece, I always get "good" movie as a response (if it's not some action movie or a Jism/Boom type movie)...And in turn, they are actually overall bad with a few "good" emotional scenes or great musical numbers. But those good scenes don't make the movie because the majority of the movie(3 hours) is mainly filler that should be cut from the film...Big recent movies considered as "great" such as Koi Mil Gaya, Kaho Naa Pyaar Hai, Company, and Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam are all actually pretty amatuerish-made B-movies..they have their moments (due to being different or having great musical pieces), but still there is 3 hours of filler to be accounted for. Bollywood directors have got to learn that all their "beloved" scenes they shot can still be seen in the Deleted Scenes section of the DVD. This is one reason why DVDs exist. If you watch the extras on DVDS from other countries, you will see that, time after time, the director has to cut tons of "beautiful" scenes from the movie because it just slows down the pace and, from an audience point of view, these directors are aware that it would be selfish to keep those scenes in, out of respect for the audience and aesthetic purposes. Thus, Bollywood movie directors are very selfish and are too much in love with ever single scene they shoot....
I love these movies, but I have noticed that I can't trust anyone's reviews because they don't have different "degrees" of "good."
The most recent Bollywood movies that I think deserve "really good" reviews due to them being the most balanced, the best paced, and the least pointless scenes are:
Mission Kashmir, Fiza, Devdas, Saathiya, and Dil Chahta Hai....Are there any recent others with these characteristics?


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Big recent movies considered as "great" such as Koi Mil Gaya, Kaho Naa Pyaar Hai, Company, and Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam are all actually pretty amatuerish-made B-movies..they have their moments (due to being different or having great musical pieces), but still there is 3 hours of filler to be accounted for. Bollywood directors have got to learn that all their "beloved" scenes they shot can still be seen in the Deleted Scenes section of the DVD. This is one reason why DVDs exist. If you watch the extras on DVDS from other countries, you will see that, time after time, the director has to cut tons of "beautiful" scenes from the movie because it just slows down the pace and, from an audience point of view, these directors are aware that it would be selfish to keep those scenes in, out of respect for the audience and aesthetic purposes. Thus, Bollywood movie directors are very selfish and are too much in love with ever single scene they shoot....
I love these movies, but I have noticed that I can't trust anyone's reviews because they don't have different "degrees" of "good."


Well said toddly, but the problem with bollywood is indian moviegoers, if these movies (KNPH,KMG)wont add some filler then they wouldnt have become such a big hit. you can take the example of the movies like fiza,mission kashmir,dil chahta hai. though they were having a good story line and were even appreciated by the A class centers, but they were not even a hit (above average to average). You can take some of the best movies ever made and you will find that only a few of them were able to earn a decent profit for its producer. So why the producer will stake his amount on a subject with which he is more than doubtful to earn money. and even if he is, he will make sure to add some so called "mass element" in the movie.
Take a fine example of GADAR and LAGAAN, both were having a strong subject, but one went with lots of mass elements while the other went with total class. atlast we came to see that while gadar has broken all the records while Lagaan could fetch its producer some profit but not large enough (ofcourse it also earned him fame, but only a few of them cares for that).
The first thing that is important is to change the mindset of the people, the day this revolution comes, I bet bollywood will start making movies in par with hollywood (ofcourse not in the technical way but in the subject wise)


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:33 am 
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toddly6666 wrote:
I love these movies, but I have noticed that I can't trust anyone's reviews because they don't have different "degrees" of "good."

I totally agree. I don't trust Indian reviewers anymore. I read rave reviews about Boys and it turned out to be absolute shit. When we have reviewers like Taran Adarsh writing based solely on whether the film will do well only at A centers or at B and C centers as well, something is wrong.

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The most recent Bollywood movies that I think deserve "really good" reviews due to them being the most balanced, the best paced, and the least pointless scenes are:
Mission Kashmir, Fiza, Devdas, Saathiya, and Dil Chahta Hai....Are there any recent others with these characteristics?


Teen Deewarein and Lagaan (even at over 3 hours) had little wasted screen time. Lesser directors wouldn't have cut the Lagaan "scene unseen" from the movie.

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Whenever I go to an Indian video store and ask the guys there what is really good or when I read Bollywood reviews on Bollywood internet sites and try an find out what is so-so, fair, good, great, or a masterpiece, I always get "good" movie as a response


You think the guy who works at the store is going to tell you, "Don't rent this, it is awful"? They'll you tell you anything to get you to rent Raja Bhaiyya :)




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toddly6666 wrote:
.... considered as "great" such as Koi Mil Gaya, Kaho Naa Pyaar Hai, Company, and Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam are all actually pretty amatuerish-made B-movies......

......Mission Kashmir, Fiza, Devdas, Saathiya, and Dil Chahta Hai....Are there any recent others with these characteristics?

Hmmm.....COMPANY would actually fall in the latter category and MISSION KASHMIR, FIZA, DEVDAS, SAATHIYA in the former.....how come you missed LAGAAN....at best MK, FIZA, DEVDAS are B+ movies...I would MAYBE recommend them to my non-Indian friends, whereas I would ABSOLUTELY recommend DCH, LAGAAN & COMPANY....hands down and no doubts about that !!


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I also thought 'COMPANY' needed a little trimming. But I wouldn't call it a amateurish B-movie.

I agree 100% about Indian movie goers. They'd rather spend almost 4 hours in Air-condintioned movie theater hall watching a crap movie than 2 hours watching a good movie.

'A' class crowd who only comes to the movies only when there is a 'good' movie out. The B class centers make producers even more money because watching movies at theater are the only means of entertainment to these people. This will lead to more item numbers and filler scenes, just to please the latter.


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I still feel that Company gets a little extra points by the majority due to it being one of the first "different" Bollywood movies...
Lagaan falls into Dances With Wolves Catagory - a great movie which can only be humanly possible to see once due to its length...
Concerning great Indian movies being bombs and profitless in India, a lot of those movies make more money in other countries, because they are actually good movies, and good movies can be appreciated anywhere in the world. But a crappy movie like Chalte Chalte can only be appreciated in India and only gonna make money in India. If Bollywood is always taking financial risks with each production they release, how could it really be a risk with so many Bollywood movies being made? It doesnt seem as bad as they say. Other countries such as England and Russia have more of a film production crisis than India...There are just too many excuses for poor movie making in India, especially when India is on the cusp of making very special, memorable, and the best masterpiece romantic musical movies in the world. It would be one thing if India's movies totally sucked as movies do from other countries, but almost each new Indian movie has so much potential if scenes were cut and dialogue/story was much better during the non-musical numbers...Instead of releasing tons of crap each month, they should focus on less and making better...They are even financially screwing themselves internationally when an Indian movie plays in a North American theater because since there isnt too much theater space, a new "bollywood" blockbuster can only play for one to two weeks maximum in one room, and then rushed out of the theater so that another bollywood film can get into that room, even if that previous movie was making money...And then don't get me started with DVD production and bootlegs. If that's fixed, their profits can be a lot better. If they know that bootleggin is bad in their native country, but bootlegging and pirate DVDs are better controlled in other countries such as North America or England, then they should focus more, or at least equally focus, on making money abroad, instead of just in India, which means more Bollywood directors are going to have to change their selfish movie-making styles and join the likes of Mira Nair, Gurinder Chadha, and Sanjay Leela Bhansali - which is called good film-making!


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toddly6666 wrote:
Concerning great Indian movies being bombs and profitless in India, a lot of those movies make more money in other countries, because they are actually good movies, and good movies can be appreciated anywhere in the world. But a crappy movie like Chalte Chalte can only be appreciated in India and only gonna make money in India.

SRK has a big NRI following, so I'm sure Chalte Chalte did decent business in the US and UK.

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There are just too many excuses for poor movie making in India, especially when India is on the cusp of making very special, memorable, and the best masterpiece romantic musical movies in the world.


The problem is, how many of these romantic musicals can we watch? The nature of the musical is such that it is very hard to do one well, and with the vast majority of films in India being musicals, one can see how so many are bad.

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It would be one thing if India's movies totally sucked as movies do from other countries, but almost each new Indian movie has so much potential if scenes were cut and dialogue/story was much better during the non-musical numbers...


I wouldn't say these films have "potential" if the dialogue, story, and length have to be changed. Those are important parts of a film.

Remakes of Western films and films from other languages is a huge problem. In Hollywood TV shows and old films are often remade into films, but they counter this with the more serious-minded films that are released at this time of year. Also, Hollywood often mines popular and classic literature for story ideas while it is a rarity in Indian cinema (in all languages, as far as I can tell).

In a great musical, songs and non-song portions are enjoyable. In a good musical, you can't wait for the songs to be over so you can watch the story. In a bad musical, the songs are a relief from a poor story. In a truly bad musical, everything sucks!

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they should focus more, or at least equally focus, on making money abroad, instead of just in India, which means more Bollywood directors are going to have to change their selfish movie-making styles and join the likes of Mira Nair, Gurinder Chadha, and Sanjay Leela Bhansali - which is called good film-making!


Heretofore Indian filmmakers have catered largely to Indian, NRI, and South/Southeast Asian audiences because they didn't need to cater to the west to make money. This is good in a way because it keeps the films Indian, even if this means very little innovation or straying from formulas.

With simultaneous worldwide releases of films such as X2 and Matrix Revolutions, Indian action films will pale in comparison. These films are fairly popular in India, and they have better technical values and more interesting stories than Indian action films, which are usually fall into the category of spy thriller/anti-terrorist/jingoism or police/gang films.


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