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bhaskar
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:28 pm 
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With all the talk of interlaced and progressive DVDs, I was just wondering who on the forums has a progressive set-up (eg player and TV/projector system on which a progressive picture can be viewed). As far as I know, they are too expensive to get hold of in the UK market.

I'm assuming SKNath and Rana have a state of the art system, seeing as they hate interlaced DVDs so much - I'm assuming that they see something I don't on my regular 28" widescreen TV.
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sknath
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:32 pm 
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Bhaskar corrections :-
1.) 28" is not a widescreen TV !

2.) I do not have a progressive system (as yet).. someday I will, though

3.) Your best bet would be Ganti or Arsh. As far as I know they have a complete setup. I Think Ganti had posted some pictures of his setup on this forum.
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bhaskar
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sknath wrote:
Bhaskar corrections :-
1.) 28" is not a widescreen TV !

Why isn't 28" a widescreen TV?

I don't know what things are like in your part of the world, but here in the UK, TVs are referred to as 28" widescreen

May I also ask if you don't have a progressive set-up, then why do you insist progressive DVDs? I know it is the way forward - but don't you think Indian DVD manufacturers should get the basics right before making their DVDs progressive?
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theon
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if progressive means that they have some device (dvd player or tv) which does 3:2 pulldown correction (i think that's what it's called!) then i along with everyone else with a progressive scan dvd player or tv has one. or is progressive scan a totally different thing? :ohyeh:
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U got it THEO, if u dont have 480p capable tv, u can use ur computer screen, prob thats what most of guys use?

But it i u have ur HDTV capable TV, it is best to use DEINTERLACER in ur PROG SCAN DVD player!!

In Europe WIDESCREEN is more prevalent, but they dont have HDTV>>>yet set up..mean broad cast..

Prog scan player, can do NTSC Prog, and Possibly PAL PROG(with Whooping 576P resolution, with PAL DVDS and PAL TVs!) i.e much higher that u can get on NTSC TV with NTSC player...

You can pm me Bhaskar, if u have any concerns, I'll be more than happy to address, acording to my humble capabilities..cheers..
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1) Toshiba 42hdx82 (converts 480p into 540p) 16:9 HDTV with Panasonic RP-82 progressive scan DVD player.

2) Samsung TSL3295 4:3 HDTV with Panasonic RP-62 progressive scan DVD player.

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sknath
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:23 pm 
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bhaskar wrote:
sknath wrote:
Bhaskar corrections :-
1.) 28" is not a widescreen TV !

Why isn't 28" a widescreen TV?

I don't know what things are like in your part of the world, but here in the UK, TVs are referred to as 28" widescreen

May I also ask if you don't have a progressive set-up, then why do you insist progressive DVDs? I know it is the way forward - but don't you think Indian DVD manufacturers should get the basics right before making their DVDs progressive?

Bhaskar I am certain, that a 28" TV here in North America doesnt constutute a Widescreen TV.

There are two types of WS Tv's.... A normal Interlaced TV system but with a larger tv monitor (measure diagonally). Alternatively you have a a HDTV which again may be 20-28" and yet wont be widescreen, but it will be just HDTV. If it is somewhere between 40" and above then it is generally referred to as a HD(widescreen) TV. Though ppl generally drop the widescreen as HDTV here in NA is implictly assumed to be widescreen also, unless otherwise mentioned.

Now for your second question, why I care for Progressive DVd's. Arsh has answered your question from one point. I will answer it from another angle. Try playing a progressively encoded HDDCS (DEI) and a pathetic interlaced DVD (or even pseudo-progressive one) from ur DVD player. Pause it somewhere and you will see that ghost images appear quite frequently. Now suppose you have fast motion in the images, you can very well notice them (examples would be Shemaroo's - Prem Rog... ) Please try and watch the fast moving sequences. You will get a pain ur eyes. Or for that matter any Prasad Digital authored Yashraj DVD.

When you have such a problem watching it on ur interlaced TV, imagine what problems u might face when you actually watch them on a real widescreen (or even HDTV) unless you actually have a DVD player which can rectify the video frames so as to make them progressive. You can get a feel of the problem, by watching ur "interlaced" DVds on ur "progressive" computer monitor (LCD screen or CRT monitor) and you will see what problems you can expect.

If you watch it in a force wave mode, you will get double images (something what may happen if you have a completely interlaced DVD and are trying to watch it on a HDTV). If on the other hand u watch it using a force weave technique you will see combing artifacts. They are an annoyance on a 17" monitor. Imagine what kinda problem it would be having to bear with them on a 50" widescreen/HDTV !
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ali
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:24 pm 
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If Xbox counts as a progressive DVD player - then I have both the player and progressive TV :bash:

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sknath
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ali wrote:
If Xbox counts as a progressive DVD player - then I have both the player and progressive TV :bash:

Ali

Do they have a separate XBox format for region 2 (at least vis-a-vis DVDs)?
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ali
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Doh! Xbox only supports games in progressive not DVDs :( I is no progressive no more, devastated :eek:

Ali :sus:
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spike86
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I think there is a seperate format for XBOX europe, since having a XBOX doesn't mean you have a universal dvd player.

BTW, anybody know if the XBOX in europe does 1080i HD games?
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theon
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that tv in the link that bhaskar posted is in fact a widescreen tv. the confusion happened because we don't have widescreen tvs in north america that small yet (i think the smallest i've seen is 30")
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Sanjay
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sknath wrote:
1.) 28" is not a widescreen TV !

Bhaskar I am certain, that a 28" TV here in North America doesnt constutute a Widescreen TV.

The size of the television, which is what 28" refers too, has nothing to do with it being Widescreen or not. Widescreen is a term used for televisions with screens that have an aspect ratio of 16:9 rather than the 4:3 aspect ratio of a standard (soon to be the 'old' standard) television.

By the way I have seen Widescreen (16:9) televisions as small as 5" although it is a LCD monitor. As for 28" widescreen televisions they have been around for atleast 10 years now if not longer, infact 28" and 32" sizes have been the most common sizes in widescreen televisions so far, ofcourse this is now changing with the US getting on the widescreen bandwagon.
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ali
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spike86 wrote:
BTW, anybody know if the XBOX in europe does 1080i HD games?

They do! and I think Dragons Lair is the only game yet to support this mode.

Another area of confusion is what is commonly referred to as HDTV, especially in America. HDTV by specification is 16:9 - always a widescreen screen. Of the two TV sets spike86 posted - only the Toshiba is a true HDTV, the Samsung is referred to HDTV-ready - as it can accept some of the features of HDTV but not a true HDTV spec.

Widescreen TVs in UK (ones with 16:9 screens) are common – but HDTV is yet to arrive – most TVs sold at the moment are only HDTV-ready and are not true HDTV spec

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faddy
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well i aint got a progressive setup and i hardly care.. by the time i can afford a bad arse HDTV progessive what not setup, we`ll be seeing the light of some new technology like blue ray technology for watching all our bollywood movies..!! Not only that, i dont think any bollywood movie is worth worryin about, i got all my AB dei/eros movies and thats all im bothered about.. they look nice and i they actually work... who cares about the rest of the crap being released by Bollywood.. at least the english movies are spot on! :D
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