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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 8:06 pm 
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The industry is full of baniyas and serves them right when their stupid movies flop.

That is absolutely not true. As a matter of fact the Hindi film industry is primarily dominated by Punjabis and actually you will find more Muslims than 'Baniyas' in the industry. Although I wholeheartedly agree with you that the industry deserves the flops that they continue to get, but I would suggest that you not malign any particular community, specially when your facts are not accurate.


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Sanjay wrote:
That is absolutely not true. As a matter of fact the Hindi film industry is primarily dominated by Punjabis and actually you will find more Muslims than 'Baniyas' in the industry. Although I wholeheartedly agree with you that the industry deserves the flops that they continue to get, but I would suggest that you not malign any particular community, specially when your facts are not accurate.

I really did not mean to malign any community....here when I meant the industry is full of 'banias', what I meant to say was they act like the neighborhood grocer, who will sell you dated products without regard to welfare of customers etc(again not a generalisation, hope one gets the drift).....actually i maybe making another faux pas here but I cannot say it any better....

In any case, I never did mean offense and would like to apologise if I caused any....I do know that the industry is full of punjabis and the like, but unfortunately in the fit of anger that i was posting, my words projected i did not know my facts....hope this sets the record straight.


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Aarkayne wrote:
I really did not mean to malign any community....here when I meant the industry is full of 'banias', what I meant to say was they act like the neighborhood grocer, who will sell you dated products without regard to welfare of customers etc(again not a generalisation, hope one gets the drift).....actually i maybe making another faux pas here but I cannot say it any better....

In any case, I never did mean offense and would like to apologise if I caused any....I do know that the industry is full of punjabis and the like, but unfortunately in the fit of anger that i was posting, my words projected i did not know my facts....hope this sets the record straight.

No problem yaar no offense taken. Just wanted to set the facts right lest those who might not know the facts become misinformed. By the way I totally agree with your viewpoint regarding the bollywood industry and the way they take the audience for granted and also have no moral or ethical qualms about putting out the kinda crap that anyone with some self respect would be embarassed to put their name on.


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Sanjay Leela Bhansali's film had grandeur but it was still the story of a loser, unlike last year's Best Foreign Film nominee Lagaan, with its David triumphing over Goliath theme. Oscar voters are known to favour triumph tales.

Except I don't think it matters really...Leaving Las Vegas was similar to Devdas but Nicholas Cage did get an Oscar in the end...I think Indians are getting desperate for the Oscars which is sad really.. :(


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The Academy Members on Devdas and its weak chances

Firstly, in my opinion, I think alot of you are underestimating Mani Ratnam's Kannathil Muthamittal by just calling it a good film and nothing more. I think its Ratnam's most ambitious project to date and certainly one of his most visually poetic and stirikingly beautiful film. He is at his best when it comes to presenting a sensitive story with the back drops of reality/war. This is great story-telling if you ask me and Ratnam is perhaps the best director in India who could impinge both spectrums magically and it shows onscreen that he knows how to master such a task.

Secondly, after reading the comments by others in the other thread on Devdas not winning its Academy nomination, I can clearly see that the Devdas haters are just as clueless and annoying as the Devdas(or Shah Rukh Khan) lovers. Devdas was infact the best choice sent from India. I can even bet these people that had other films LOBS or Ratnam's newest film would not have done any better than Devdas.

Thirdly, Bharat Shah/Mahesh Bhatt are the biggest friggen morons on the face of this planet blaming the Academy of racism for Devdas not being selected for a nomination. I respect Bhatt's ideologies on world/US politics, but here he's just being plain dumb.

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Another interesting OVERVIEW!

'Devdas didn't stand a chance'

Aseem Chhabra | February 17, 2003 19:27 IST


On January 22, John Friedken came all prepared to have a great evening at the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences' Samuel Goldwyn Theatre in Beverly Hills, CA. It was the official screening of Devdas, India's entry in the 2002 Oscar race for Best Foreign Film. Having championed India's 2001 entry Lagaan, Friedken had much to look forward to.

"There is a friend of mine who loves Indian films with music and the whole week he was looking forward to it. 'Oh boy, Wednesday we've got the Indian film,' he kept saying," Friedken said from his home in Los Angeles. He and his unnamed friend are members of the Academy's publicist branch. A few years ago, Friedken had unofficially promoted Deepa Mehta's Earth for the Best Foreign Film Academy Award nomination.

Usually, the Academy would screen two films each evening, Friedken said. Due to the length of Devdas, only one screening was scheduled on January 22 evening with a 25 minute intermission.

After the intermission Friedken and his other friends at the screening decided to head home.

"To tell you the truth, a lot of people walked out," Friedken said before the Academy's February 11 announcement of the final nominees for the Oscar race. "I was among those who walked out."

"We just didn't like it," he said, referring to Devdas. "The girls were beautiful but the story was out of whack. At least last year's one (Lagaan) had great humour. This year, enough people walked out so that score will not get it into the finals. This film has no chance. You want to bet on it? I can make a big bet."

There were at least 250 to 300 people at the screening, the only official screening of Devdas, according to Jerry Pam, another Los Angeles-based publicist and member of the Academy. "I can say half of them walked out," Pam added. He also spoke before the February 11 announcement of the nominees.

"The film got too much for too many people," Pam said. "The dancing was very good. I liked the actress [Aishwarya Rai] the guy [Devdas] can't marry. She is beautiful. She looks like a young Hedy Lamarr. But everybody was shouting and screaming in the film. They weren't pleasant people. The storyline is interesting, but I just think the characters were not very interesting. When we saw Lagaan last year, you could get into it. It was a good story."

Last year, Pam was a major force in getting Lagaan nominated for the Oscar. In January 2002, British filmmaker Roland Joffe [City of Joy and The Killing Fields] called Pam to say he had seen Lagaan and recommended the film. "Roland called me from India and said, 'I saw Lagaan. See it and tell me what you think should be done,' " Pam said. Originally from Britain, Pam has also done publicity work on some of the early Beatles movies.

After receiving the call from Joffe, Pam arranged for Lagaan's first publicist Richard Lewis to campaign for the film before the final nomination process. But this year Pam has no idea who worked on the Devdas promotion. "There was no buzz about the movie."

To be fair to Friedken and Pam, the Academy maintains very stringent rules for the foreign language Oscar category. Members of the committee -- all volunteers -- are broken into three groups, identified by the colours red, white and blue.

This year, each group was assigned 18 films. After each screening, committee members were to vote on the film on a scale of six to ten -- six being the minimum score any film can get. Each committee member had to see at least 80 per cent of the films in his/her group. The top five selections of the entire committee are then labelled the Academy-nominated foreign language films.

Pam did not want to discuss how he voted for Devdas. "I never disclose what I vote, but I think you can read between the lines," he said with a laugh. He added that watching the first half of Devdas qualified him to vote on the film.

Friedken confessed he and several of his colleagues walked out of quite a few other films too. "I don't know how they pick the films," Friedken said. "We saw the French film 8 Women. It was garbage. There has to have been better French films. The Spanish entry should have been Talk To Her. That is a great film. But it was not entered. The Academy can't say anything about it. Good cinema doesn't get promoted. And we have to waste our time seeing so much garbage."

Friedken and Pam were ecstatic about at least two films they saw during the nomination process -- the German entry Nowhere In Africa and China's Hero. On February 11, both films made it to the final five.

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arsh wrote:
"To tell you the truth, a lot of people walked out," Friedken said before the Academy's February 11 announcement of the final nominees for the Oscar race. "I was among those who walked out."

"We just didn't like it," he said, referring to Devdas. "The girls were beautiful but the story was out of whack. At least last year's one (Lagaan) had great humour. This year, enough people walked out so that score will not get it into the finals. This film has no chance. You want to bet on it? I can make a big bet."

"I can say half of them walked out," Pam added. He also spoke before the February 11 announcement of the nominees.

I Hope Mr Bhansali & Mr Khan and anyone else who holds Devdas high, takes note of the comments made. For Mr Bhansali no point acting all moody if you produced a film that wern't all that and for Mr Khan calling them 'idiots' won't do much for them or for your own rep!


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arsh wrote:
"To tell you the truth, a lot of people walked out," Friedken said before the Academy's February 11 announcement of the final nominees for the Oscar race. "I was among those who walked out."

"We just didn't like it," he said, referring to Devdas. "The girls were beautiful but the story was out of whack. At least last year's one (Lagaan) had great humour. This year, enough people walked out so that score will not get it into the finals. This film has no chance. You want to bet on it? I can make a big bet."

"I can say half of them walked out," Pam added. He also spoke before the February 11 announcement of the nominees.

I Hope Mr Bhansali & Mr Khan and anyone else who holds Devdas high, takes note of the comments made. For Mr Bhansali no point acting all moody if you produced a film that wern't all that and for Mr Khan calling them 'idiots' won't do much for them or for your own rep!

Huh?

Firstly, just notice the tone they use to describe the films(devdas) plot "whack". And they graded Lagaan based on its humour. What kind of jury is this? And the fact that they walk out of films they don't like--clearly shows there unprofessionalism. For that matter--I wonder how they must have reacted to Guru Dutt's Sahib Biwi Aur Gulham when it was sent during its time by India to the Oscars. Did they think this was "whack" too? Please! they need to get there acts together and act more professionaly.

And btw, who specifically is "Mr Khan"? Are you referring to Shah Rukh Khan?

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