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Out now @ IW

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Screen shots please?? I have the pirated (GVI) version of Angoor. Kshitij , could you please tell us if you used a better film source then what was available in pirated version? If it is the same then I'm going to be a very angry man!

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i beleive they used the same source that dei once had when they were to release this DVD. but film (source) said to be in poor condition for which the release was delayed.. and eventually they declared bankcruptcy... and i have BIG feelings that it has been mastered from that poor source. :oh: (hope not!)
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shuman wrote:
i beleive they used the same source that dei once had when they were to release this DVD. but film (source) said to be in poor condition for which the release was delayed.. and eventually they declared bankcruptcy... and i have BIG feelings that it has been mastered from that poor source. :oh: (hope not!)

shuman how do you know that ?.... Any sources you may be having ? :d
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shuman
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sknath wrote:
shuman how do you know that ?.... Any sources you may be having ? :d

:p firstly it was just a guess/opinion, not a fact. secondly, as far as source is concern, the reason behind the delay in angoor release by DEI most likely was posted here in zulm if i am not mistaken or i may have heard the rumour elsewhere.. which i remembered.

and also many opinions past here and there about having IW releasing angoor to be authored by former DEI. i just connected all floating opinions and rumours to come up with that. :D :p

hope this helps!
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sknath
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[quote="shuman"][/quote]
Bah.. I do know that DEI had at one time had this movie in the pipeline. However the fact is u used the words...

"I Believe" ( rather than I Guess,,, which you used in the second comment) which made me wonder... Neways no pain..

I should be getting this DVD...shortly...expect some screenshots ...( I hope it is progressive... i just hope... but even then I will still post the screenshots :D)
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Gentlemen, Ladies!

Sorry about the delay in responding - I have been travelling again on business, my apologies. I'll try to answer all your questions, one post at a time...

First of all, a BIG THANK YOU, to all who have responded - SK Nath, Ali, shuman and everybody else. We will try our utmost to maintain and improve our standards as time goes on. We are looking for feedback from yourselves - the intelligencia that can provide feedback on the current DVD and what the features are you would like to see in future Indian DVDs.

Regarding the source. No, the source is not the same as used by the pirated version. I have screen shots that I will post ASAP, to illustrate the point.

When we obtained the rights and the source of the movie, the initial print we were offered was, in fact, close to the quality of the pirated version.

However, we went back and got another high quality Digital tape made from the original film source in India (a very painful and expensive process). This one was then transfered using very expensive Vector Based equipment to NTSC and using high quality encoders to MPEG-2, in order to maintain the quality to be the same as you would see on the Film source.

More Later

Kshitij Kumar.
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Canadaflix wrote:
However, we went back and got another high quality Digital tape made from the original film source in India (a very painful and expensive process). This one was then transfered using very expensive Vector Based equipment to NTSC and using high quality encoders to MPEG-2, in order to maintain the quality to be the same as you would see on the Film source.

More Later

Kshitij Kumar.

Hey KK,

I wouldnt wanna bother u much, but I was wondering what kinda screenshots you have ?.. How did you grab them. Did you use PowerDVD for grabbing the screenshots ( as that is what we generally use here on zulm). Again.. were the screenshots take in a force-weave mode ? Cos only then we are able to identify if the film has been properply encoded progressively.

While reading your statements that you got a Hi-Q DLT from India (rather than doing that same process here), makes my worst fear come true... However at this time I wont pass any comments, and would rather like it if you proved me wrong (wont give me more pleasure than that :) )...

Awaiting your response
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Canadaflix
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Hi SK,

Just a quick clarification, but I will reply in detail later.

No, the DLT was not made in India, but by "yours truly" here in Canada. :cool:

The Digital source I was talking about getting from India is Digibeta - which is made directly from the 24 fps Film source and only contains the movie recorded in the best possible Digital Format. All Indian movie DVD makers have to get their source Digibeta from India.

As you understand, the quality control process is closely guarded by all manufacturers, so I will not be able to go into much detail here, but if you want to call me tomorrow, we can talk in more detail about the specifics.

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shuman
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Thanks kshitij for clearing that out.. that the source used isn't the same as what pirated version used. I guess the pirated version referring to the GVI release.

I guess it's only me.. who made comment saying the that source used may have been the same one which once DEI has in possesion and refused to use it due to it's poor condition.. anyway.. still waiting for screenshots.. someone should already have received this DVD..

my words may be hard to comprehend, not because you are stupid, because i usually convey info incorrectly. take it easy..



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sknath
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Ok Guys sad news to break in here.. The DVD is indeed Interlaced...(with combing artifacts in abundance). Has been confirmed by Kshitij... Awaiting his screenshots. Or if anyone else has the DVD, pls do grab some screenshots and post them ... I am expecting my DVD early next week... (Now I am wondering should I keep the DVD or return it back and wait for its second stock to come out ? )
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Canadaflix
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Here are some of the screenshots. Ali, could you please copy these images to zulm server. I used the same screenshots of GVI version which were earlier posted in this forum.

Pirated GVI (left) vs IndiaWeekly version (right)

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More screenshots to follow..

Canadaflix

[edit: copied images to zulm server - Ali]



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ali
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Canadaflix wrote:
Ali, could you please copy these images to zulm server.

Done!

Thanks for the screen shots, looks much better version compared the GVI DVD.

Ali
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But, still a disappointment!! If you ask me ali! :baaa:
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Arsh as I said... Lets take Kshitij's word on this and wait for the "REAL" deal on this dvd :)..
The IW print indeed looks good (brighter).... no doubt abt that... but what you dont see here is the "OTHER" artifacts associated with it....
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