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I havent seen devdas but spider-man is a very good movie. Many times a comic book or a tv series being remade into a movie has failed so the director had to make sure the movie would be a success.

The result, a fresh entertaining movie that has a good plot, humour and well choreographed action. The movie also has a great rewatchability factor. There are not many films one can see time and time again and not get bored.

Tobey Maguire is a great actor and I thought he was great as Peter Parker and I cannot think of anyone else who could have pulled of that role better than him. He was better in Wonder Boys but then he had a better role to play with. Im not saying bring out the oscars or anything but he did the best he could with the role.

Like I said I havent seen Devdas yet but if like you say its better than spiderman, then I am expecting a lot from it.
Oh by the way, IMO Titanic was brilliant. A masterpiece of cinema.

I liked Batman quite a bit, and Superman is fun as a campy 70s film. Spiderman wasn't a bad film, it just wasn't memorable to me. Tobey Maguire is the main reason I wasn't harder on the film. He's a good actor. And I'm not comparing Spiderman to Devdas, nor do I have any desire to see Devdas. But at least the second disc of Spiderman doesn't contain scenes from other Tobey Maguire films...


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I think it's ironic how a lot of the Bollywood audience complains that every single Bollywood movie has a love story. Too bad the same is true in Hollywood. Pretty much ever single movie. Spiderman, Men in Black 2, Bourne Identity, Sum of All Fears, etc.. And leading that too is a kinky "love" track where love to them only means having sex. At least in Bollywood films, as illogical as they may be, love is shown in a more proper format.


In the films you have specified, love is only a side theme(if that). And the love is also pretty realistic in a way.
Having sex is an act of love and is not always the case. Peter parker doesnt get any from MJ and whilst the love is there, it is subtle and not so open.

In Bollywood, you have hot girls falling in love with someone like Mithun cos he saved their lives from some gunda (like thats really gonna happen). And then to show their love, they prance around in a park singing songs.

It simply is not right to compare hollywood and bollywood. Bollywood, as predictable, cheesy and awful from a critical point of view as it is, still holds a sentimental place in my heart no matter what critics say. I will continue to watch them all the time cos I love them.
Hollywood movies just plain rock. No way my bollywood dvds are gonna catch up with the number of hollywood movies I have.

Also my two cents(pence) :baaa:

Are you kidding? Right, it is a side-theme, but I could argue that it's the same with any Bollywood film (though a bit more prevalent). I mean, at least in Bollywood it's realistic and touches more emotions (in most films). In the Bourne Identity, they've been running away together and suddenly start making out. So realistic, no?

If there's one thing that Bollywood does exceptionally better than Hollywood, it's love stories.


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I think it's ironic how a lot of the Bollywood audience complains that every single Bollywood movie has a love story. Too bad the same is true in Hollywood. Pretty much ever single movie. Spiderman, Men in Black 2, Bourne Identity, Sum of All Fears, etc.. And leading that too is a kinky "love" track where love to them only means having sex. At least in Bollywood films, as illogical as they may be, love is shown in a more proper format.


In the films you have specified, love is only a side theme(if that). And the love is also pretty realistic in a way.
Having sex is an act of love and is not always the case. Peter parker doesnt get any from MJ and whilst the love is there, it is subtle and not so open.

In Bollywood, you have hot girls falling in love with someone like Mithun cos he saved their lives from some gunda (like thats really gonna happen). And then to show their love, they prance around in a park singing songs.

It simply is not right to compare hollywood and bollywood. Bollywood, as predictable, cheesy and awful from a critical point of view as it is, still holds a sentimental place in my heart no matter what critics say. I will continue to watch them all the time cos I love them.
Hollywood movies just plain rock. No way my bollywood dvds are gonna catch up with the number of hollywood movies I have.

Also my two cents(pence) :baaa:

Are you kidding? Right, it is a side-theme, but I could argue that it's the same with any Bollywood film (though a bit more prevalent). I mean, at least in Bollywood it's realistic and touches more emotions (in most films). In the Bourne Identity, they've been running away together and suddenly start making out. So realistic, no?

If there's one thing that Bollywood does exceptionally better than Hollywood, it's love stories.

Hey Rishi... a love story :)

Now what do we have our plate ?...

A legend...Mughal-e-Azam & its many neo-clones ( any hindi film after that..rich dad...song loves a poor girl...etc..etc or vice-versa)... Or boy meets a gal...gals dad disapproves...or the eternal love traingle ... One always has to sacrifice ?

Are these the love stories u talking abt ?

Now lets see what love stories Hollywood has to offer us :-

How abt Sabrina (both versions)
or...Dr. Zhivago ( eternal love story...)
or...Sleepless in Seattle ( corny stuff yet so nice and cute.,.I could really feel for Tom Hanks in the film..unlike Shahrukh in KKHH..its poorly copied clone)
or...City of Angels
or...You've got Mail
or...Roman Holiday (*Yawn* wonder how many times it has been copied)
...and the list goes on

Let us face it .... Bollywood is no good when it comes to originality (but for a few flashes in the pan...) They are bunch of weasels ( come on are they so shameless that they have to lift Paki songs and Plots ?...surely they can do better than that.. and for that reason I despise Sameer and Anu Malik)...
The hey-days of Bollywood are long gone... Raj Kapoor and Guru Dutt and K Asif and Kamal Amrohi.. they were the directors.... and their films and love stories were the REAL stuff.....
Today's stuff is just $hit.... (including the loce stories)....

Think of this... Why hasnt any Bollywood filmmaker attempted at copying Ben Hur or Titanic ? Thats cos they cant afford it and thats why they are hell bent on copying the TRASH of Hollywood, Jagged Edge, Primal Fear etc... (Vikram Bhatt should be shot and grilled alive... why I am saying this is..he literally raped the Classic Marlon Brando film..On The Riverfront with his rather stupid clone..Ghulam )

There is a huge treasure chest of ideas and stories in India... Hollywood's plots are American Based and they surely cannot work in India.. lil wonder 95% of films have flopped in Bollywood this year... and the exception was Devdas (an Indian work.. in all aspects), which is a super hit.

Realistic love and emotion have long gone from Bollywood...It vanished with the departure of Rajesh Khanna - Sharmila Tagore in Aradhana or Dilip Kumar - Madhubala in MEA.... Now unless someone can bring back that era once again ( and I hope the time comes soon..afterall it is the Circle of Life).. I dont see any Hope for Bollywood !


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I agree with SK...Bollywood movies have really started to suck! I ain't gonna sit there for three hours to watch a cheesy hollywood remake, where everything is based around love stories. gimme a break!! Nearly every so-called remake that Bollywood has produced so far has a stupid love story in a murder/crime/war plot.


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Sorry Folks.. I take back my words.... abt no Bollywood film trying to ape Ben Hur...

Was watching Kranti and found the Boat rowing scene( Madan Puri as the weasel).... :D Cant believe that no one pointed that out to me :)


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i believe there was a film *ing Sanjay Kapoor and oops! forgot the actress, but it was exact copy of 'You've got mail'
there was also a film that was exact copy of 'Indecent Proposal'


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Sirf Tum..and nope it wasnt a copy of You've got mail....but Karobaar was a 100% copy of Indecent proposal....(lousy stuff)... Yuck anil kapoor as Redford :) cant believe that

Roman Holiday was copied as
Yaarana and Pehla Pehla pyar ( both starred rishi kapoor..looks like He has a penchant for Gregory Peck)


Sleeping with the enemy : - Darrar (Rishi Kapoor, Arbaaz and Juhi Chawla) and Agnisakshi

Jagged edge - Kasoor
What lies beneath - Raaz
Sabrina - Yeh dillagi
Parent trap - Do Kaliyan, Kuch Khatti Kuch Meethi and one more i think
Primal fear - Deewangee
French Kiss - Pyar to hona hi tha (Yuck ! )

and the list goes on !!!


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"Parent Trap" was also remade in Tamil as "Kuzhandhaiyum Deivamum."


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I love how people have to scream "copy" at every random moment a new Bollywood film is made. Apparently the audience doesn't have enough faith in the Bollywood director to believe they could actually make an original film. I mean, I'm not the biggest fan of true copies like MYKSH or APD (Hated that movie to bits), but you can't just scream copy every single time you see some resemblance (and, btw, sometimes resemblances can be coincidental). Some people make connections by the thinnest strand "Well, that Hollywood movie involved a boy and girl in love and so does this Bollywood movie -- Copy!"

Let me name a few more recent examples:
Mohabbatein and Dead Poet's Society (Well, it's about a strict principal and a new teacher teaching something not liked... and there's a suicide in it).

Aks and Face Off (I really fail to see any logical connection).

Badhai Ho Badhai and Nutty Professor (People apparently love to jump to conclusions. "Oh look! A fat Anil Kapoor... must be a remake".

Asoka and Gladiator (Well, the battle scenes... and the general feel)

Zindagi Khoobsurat Hai and Life is Beautiful (Look! The titles mean the same thing! Let's forget that the movies are completely different).

And I could go on and on. Despicable is it not? Even when some of the best movies like Dil Chahta Hai are pushed out the door, people find movies with a thin connection to try to disgrace the movie (apparently the conncection was to St. Elmo's Fire). Do we have that much of an inferiority complex that we have to make Hollywood films seem so much better? You know, they remake their own movies and movies from other industries so much and no one cares. Why do we have to go up in arms, especially at the wrong times?

Back to love stories, it's my personal opinion. I mean, you can go and point out the copycat love stories if you want, but I'll say this again... Bollywood knows how to bring love stories in much better. To me, love isn't about showing people making out or having sex. Criticize it if you'd please, but a nice song gives a much better feel as well as restrained love. And the love stories that have been made in Bollywood, I feel, are a lot better made. When a love story is made in Hollywood, it's a "chick flick" and, as far as the films I've seen, really doesn't touch the emotions. Sound as tough as you want, but how many of you weren't touched by Devdas? Or, heck, even DDLJ? I have to admit that even KKKG brought out a better result as far as love than most Hollywood films.

Anyway, I'm done ranting now. Say what you want (be civil please), but it's just not fair to constantly put ourselves down. How will we ever improve this way?


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RNJBOND wrote:
Anyway, I'm done ranting now. Say what you want (be civil please), but it's just not fair to constantly put ourselves down. How will we ever improve this way?

Rishni no one is trying to put onself down... by bringing out the disgraceful stuff in Hindi movies...

Who said that Bollywood cannot bring out Love stories ?.. Yeah we had plenty of them...

Aaradhana
Kati Patang
Amar Prem... Memorbale love stories
Chitchor
Piya Ka Ghar..

Believe me dude.. I really feel proud when I boast abt these films... but gimme a break... MYKSH, and the other so called popcorn neo-love stories ???? You must be kidding here right ?

MEA, Love and God, Pakeezah ... in another domain...

And they were, and I repeat.. orginal films..in all respect... very much Indian..and they in no way aped HOLLYWOOD films ..( You may wish to compared An Officer and A gentleman with Aaradhana but then again aardhana was release in 1969 :) )..

The films you mentioned.. MYKSH ... dont u see that this is a pathetic title in the first place itself... an exact copy of the original..and just to be a lil bit lame, they go and change the ending... ! I really enjoyed Cameron Diaz and Julia Roberts... and couldnt stand Jimmy Shergill and Uday Chopra ( they look hideous)....

One more thing abt your "love stories" Rishi... Compared with my "Indian" love stories... the "love" stories which u oicth in for are quite far fetched and have no semblance of reality in them... in the sense that a common middle class movie goer in India, cannot identify with these love stories....which come out, these days, ad-infinitum !


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Karobaar was a 100% copy of Indecent proposal....(lousy stuff)... Yuck anil kapoor as Redford :) cant believe that

Sauda *ing Neelam, Vikas Bhalla and Sumeet Saigal (as Redford) was also a copy of Indecept Proposal...


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I preordered Spiderman DVD at Future Shop. Price and version unknown, but Future Shop prices are good at the release time. Promotion was, you get spiderman T-shirt plus you pick up scan line coupons. On Nov 1, scan the coupon first, 1 in 10 odds that scan will show DVD for $1. If not, come back for another coupon. You may win in one of the subsaquent tries.

Heavy promotins on.

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i am going to wait for the superbit edition of Spiderman :p


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