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Well, I don't have k3G. You have to confirm that. My wife watched a pirated copy that I didn't watch it.



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Progressive DVDs from YRF that I know are:
DTPH new
KKHH old and new
DDLJ
REFUGEE
ZUBAIDA
K3G
MOHABBATEIN

Another VS-SD prog. title is:
Kohraam
(Baadal, HDDCS,---, but DEI also had released these DVDs.)

There coud be more, can't recall the names.

Watch out, shhh. Prog. Abhinetri coming soon.

Rana


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1) BTW. Recd DEI's TAPISH. Seems like good movie from descrip. It's Prog as well as anam.

2) Ganti;Aarsh:
You must have seen Faddy's reply to my post about mentioning Prog/ Interlaced in his DVD reviews that he just started @ Azadi.com.
http://www.zulm.net/cgi-bin....;t=3258
He doesn't seem to be following this thread (actually very few have been following this thread; may be title & description change may change the situ.).

Would you want to convince him of the virtues of Prog. Once he sees the benefit, we can guide him about the technique.




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rana wrote:
2) Ganti;Aarsh:
You must have seen Faddy's reply to my post about mentioning Prog/ Interlaced in his DVD reviews that he just started @ Azadi.com.
http://www.zulm.net/cgi-bin....;t=3258
He doesn't seem to be following this thread (actually very few have been following this thread; may be title & description change may change the situ.).

Would you want to convince him of the virtues of Prog. Once he sees the benefit, we can guide him about the technique.

im here.. tell me what u want...!!


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Vow, that was fast.
Faddy, so you are following this thread.
I was just trying Arsh and Ganti to gang up to convince you and Ali for reporting Prog./ Interlaced I.D. in DVD reviews.

To summarize the technique:
In Power DVD if you see combing in Force Weave setting then it's Interlaced, If you don't see combing then it's Prog.

Thanks.

Rana




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Faddy,
Welcome to this thread. You have a great site in making. Congrats for all the good work.


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Faddy,
As you are one of the original reviewers to Zulm, I am sure your new site will benefit from your vast experience and understanding of this media.

And for you and Ali the great who knows better than us after reviewing lot of disks, our humble request is to include the
Type of Encoding (whether the disk is progressively encoded or not) used for the disk. This will greatly improve the confidence of people like me with progressive display and future proof for those who are going to the route in near future.


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This will greatly improve the confidence of people like me with progressive display and future proof for those who are going to the route in near future.

I might adjust the review format to include this information in the future when I have some time – but on the whole this progressive business is slightly blown out of proportion – and personally I don’t think it’s that important currently regarding Indian DVDs in particular when you consider that the Indian DVDs coming out at the moment can’t even get he basics right!

Yes given that the progressively mastered DVD, when done properly, offer significantly better picture – but like you mention – you have to have the right equipment to see this improvement fully. Progressive display and playback equipment is still only starting to grab hold of peoples attention. When it becomes mass market the next generation of Hi-def DVD will emerge and all this will start again.

DVDs from Eros, Video Sound, Spark and majority of others make poorly sourced DVDs – colours are washed out, framing is wrong, bastardised anamorphic video is used, subtitles are poor and that’s without even mentioning the sound! So whether they are progressive or not which very few people are able to see the benefit at the moment is just not important to me.

Take the recent examples of old Super Digital DVDs – just because they are progressively mastered they seem to worth getting – forgetting that most are shit films anyway – the DVDs have major other flaws such as cropped (nearly full screen) video, heavy blemishes prints, no subtitles (and when they do include subtitles they are unreadable on 16x9 TVs :bangbang: ) and poor sound – I’d rather Indian DVD makers got these basic things right first.

Ali :baaa: :sus:


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ali wrote:
I’d rather Indian DVD makers got these basic things right first.

Ali :baaa: :sus:

(My Comments are for NTSC DVDs)



I agree 100%. But:

To me the first and top most BASIC THING is that a DVD of a FILM be made from a FILM and not from a video copy.

If a DVD is made from Film, there is no reason for it to be encoded in interlaced fashion as interlaced recording requires 25% extra info. That is another thing if the DVD authors are competent. Isn’t competency the SECOND MOST IMPORTANT BASIC THING??

Once you have these two basic things right, everything else automatically falls in its place. For Example MISSION KASHMIR, LAGAAN, ASOKA (PAL). Mainstream/ Hollywood DVD companies GAVE NO SPECIAL TREATMENT TO THESE DVDs and yet they are among the top ten Indian DVDs. They just had the two basics that I stated above, right.


Ali, you also said, “Progressive display and playback equipment is still only starting to grab hold of peoples attention”.

I beg to differ here too. Progressive DVD players cost no more than non progressive DVD players, right now. Similarly most of the new mid size TVs (32 inch or larger; for small TVs you may as well watch a VHS) being sold are HD ready implying a 480P scan rate or better. Also, all PC based DVD viewing is Progressive capable. So Progressive is not just for the future. IT IS HERE RIGHT NOW.

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I’d rather Indian DVD makers got these basic things right first.

Assuming you have around 200 interlaced DVDs that cost you roughly $3000. And once you add to this progressive stuff to the top of your basic things list, you no longer able to enjoy all those DVDs you procured over time by paying lot of money. It happened to me and it will to you. May be you are thinking to take a jump to the HDDVD?


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ganti wrote:
And once you add to this progressive stuff to the top of your basic things list, you no longer able to enjoy all those DVDs you procured over time by paying lot of money.

Unless he is able to procure a really "money-is-no-matter" high end progressive display system with all state of the art chips for de-interlacing :D (What say you Ali ! )


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To me the first and top most BASIC THING is that a DVD of a FILM be made from a FILM and not from a video copy.

If a DVD is made from Film, there is no reason for it to be encoded in interlaced fashion as interlaced recording requires 25% extra info. That is another thing if the DVD authors are competent. Isn’t competency the SECOND MOST IMPORTANT BASIC THING??

Once you have these two basic things right, everything else automatically falls in its place. For Example MISSION KASHMIR, LAGAAN, ASOKA (PAL). Mainstream/ Hollywood DVD companies GAVE NO SPECIAL TREATMENT TO THESE DVDs and yet they are among the top ten Indian DVDs. They just had the two basics that I stated above, right.


Not quite! DEI for years and from the very start did film to DVD transfers - your first criteria filled to the full. Yet how many of these titles got the basics right? Only a hand full as you've mentioned yourself on a number of occasions. Most of the DEI/Eros wide screen movies were cropped - this is most basic thing they should get right. I would rather watch a copy of interlaced Satya in its full aspect ratio (if such a thing existed) over the cropped progressive DEI mastered DVD – same can be said for Dil Se. And when DEI did move to fuller aspect ratio they tended to squash the video :oo:

Basics should include getting the aspect ratio right, framing right, the colours right and presenting the audio as it should be. Progressive mastered DVDs when these basics are right enhances the picture greatly – when viewed with he right equipment! Ideally all these elements should be in – there’s nothing complicated about getting all these things in – then competency does come into it and non of the Indian DVD companies are professional or competent when it comes to DVDs.

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IT IS HERE RIGHT NOW.


Depends where you in the world – possible true for people living in USA/Canada – not necessarily true for else where.

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ali wrote:
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To me the first and top most BASIC THING is that a DVD of a FILM be made from a FILM and not from a video copy.

If a DVD is made from Film, there is no reason for it to be encoded in interlaced fashion as interlaced recording requires 25% extra info. That is another thing if the DVD authors are competent. Isn’t competency the SECOND MOST IMPORTANT BASIC THING??

Once you have these two basic things right, everything else automatically falls in its place. For Example MISSION KASHMIR, LAGAAN, ASOKA (PAL). Mainstream/ Hollywood DVD companies GAVE NO SPECIAL TREATMENT TO THESE DVDs and yet they are among the top ten Indian DVDs. They just had the two basics that I stated above, right.


Not quite! DEI for years and from the very start did film to DVD transfers - your first criteria filled to the full. Yet how many of these titles got the basics right? Only a hand full as you've mentioned yourself on a number of occasions. Most of the DEI/Eros wide screen movies were cropped - this is most basic thing they should get right. I would rather watch a copy of interlaced Satya in its full aspect ratio (if such a thing existed) over the cropped progressive DEI mastered DVD – same can be said for Dil Se. And when DEI did move to fuller aspect ratio they tended to squash the video :oo:

Ali :baaa:

You are right Ali.

As per my def. of the first two basics, DEI never got the 2nd (competency) right for the anamorphic DVDs.

DEI's 4:3 DVDs had my first basic right and the second basic almost right. SAATHI, NAMAK HALAAL, AMAR AKBAR ANTHONY, RAM AYR SHYAM, HERA PHERI, and many others. Excessive DVNR is another issue although this and all other basics you mentioned fall into my def. of 2nd basic, i.e. competency.

Cropped 1.85:1 DVDs that DEI made were all from the time when DEI had not progressed to making anamorphic DVDs.
The same goes for their "non-DD 5.1" DVDs for DD5.1 Films.

Rana


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Rana, Sknath, Arsh and others,

I would like to confirm the discussion of progressive and the other related stuff to this thread only, so not annoy other respected form members.

Rana I have bad news for you: The entire disk of the new chart buters dvd is encoded as video. I have some screen shots if you want to see. And how you guys sending screen shots to Ali ? What email address and in what format? Bmp or gif or jpeg?


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JPEGs Ganti, !!u mean CHARTBUSTER songs!! from EROS LULLA! how could it be DIFF? How do u compare DEVDAS songs with DVD? ???


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Arsh,
This is new dvd from YRF with all hit songs. And the pity is most of the songs are originally encoded as film on their movie dvd


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