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rana
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arsh wrote:
I primarily dont care for SUB titles..much.

Second: Sound on KOYLA with Subs is not DD 5.1 Discrete, but DILBY surround/pseudo 5.1..going for $2.99 at iw.com, today's price! :baaa:

I almost ordered KOYLA from IW ($2.99) yesterday but there was a hitch. Good for me. Arsh, your post indicates that this $2.99 version is perhaps the interlaced (also erroneous DD5.1) version. Now I will make sure that I get the progressive and proper DD5.1 version which DOES EXIST.

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rana wrote:
I am compiling a list of my Indian DVDs (over 200) in EXCEL sheet with comments. 85% of my DVDs are Film mode. Of the remainder, I am trying to detect (very slow process) which ones are Pseudo-progressive. A data base of 200 plus contributions from sk, Ganti & yourself, we might have a huge list of DVDs where Film mode is identified.

The list is nearing completion as far as my DVDs are concerned (aprox 230 of which over 180 are progressive). Will post a first copy sometime next week and then perhaps others (Ganti, Arsh, Sknath et.al.) can add more to the list as they are identified. Yes, there are surprises. For example, some GSP Shemaroo titles are psuedo-progressive. Some EROS, many SD and a few others are proressive.

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Zoran009
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U might, or might not!! find KOYLA prog..I dont have interlaced, to tell the dIFF, but I did have it before and SOUND..I hated that!
U could have ordered rana ji, so we could compare both side by side!! Order and send to me!! I'll take shots and will ship it back to you!! ha ha!! Shipping will be more than COST of the DVD!!S** :baaa: :bangbang:
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rana
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dvd_pankhaa wrote:
it was later on that video sound broke away from super digital and then VS authored (don't know by whom) pathetic dvd's
and as the time progressed they (VS, EROS) kept on producing one crap dvd presentation after the other, competing to see who can come up with the most pathetic dvd for indian films, and that with actually having bought the dvd rights of the films
isn't it sad, :bangbang: :ffs: :oh:

It's worst than what you said. 2 days ago, I tried playing a toal of 3 Video Sound (Non-superdigital) titles that I bought just 18 months ago, from the official distributor for Canada. These DVDs hadn't seen more than 4 hours each of playing time.

How worst can it get. None is playable now. They definitely are not for collectors. This is DVD rot at its worst.

VS does deserve an award for Ingenuity. They know how to limit your viewings per DVD purchase.

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Zoran009
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I found a COPY of DEEWANA MASTANA, without Subs..in my local stores..SUPPOSEDLY PROG! will provide u with my impressions tomorrow!! along with Caps! :baaa:
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rana
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arsh wrote:
I found a COPY of DEEWANA MASTANA, without Subs..in my local stores..SUPPOSEDLY PROG! will provide u with my impressions tomorrow!! along with Caps! :baaa:

That's great.

Arsh, look for bit rate. If DM without subtitles is, progressive as expected, is it single layer (low bit rate)?? Check if interlaced release is a replicated copy of orig. with additional text?? As you know DM with sub-t has very high bit rate, could it be a whole new authoring??

Thanks.

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I'll do so, Just got some screen caps of DEEWANA MASTAN!! INDEED, FILM MODE(prog).

I have sent Screen caps of JUDAII and KOYLA to ali, for posting..hopefully, he will post, soon.

I did not have any luck to find..original..KHAMOSHI and YES BOSS!!
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rana
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Great work Arsh. We are very close to finding the wholly grail. If the progressive version turns out to be better than their subtitled interlaced version, we will have another 30 or so unexpected progressive DVDs available, most of which are attractive.

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Zoran009
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Ok, rana ji!! some results here! lets see what u can make out of it!!

Judaii..with no subs...film mode!

single layer.

2-4 bit rate

sound..384kbps.

Judaii..with sub titles...video mode with combing.

dual layer

bit rate..4-8

sound..384kbps


Deewana Mastana...with no subs(film mode.
single layer.
bit rate 3-4

sound..192 kb/sec..2 channel.


Deewana Mastana..with subs(video mode)

dual layer
bit rate..4-8,9

sound 384 kbps.


VIRASAT..with subs.

2 layers.
384 kbps..sound

4-8 bit rate.( confirm on ur copy).


so, let me know.ali has comparative shots of JUDAII, I'll give u/him..DEEWANA MASTANA too, if? ???
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rana
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I am very disappointed to see that all theese original progressive releases are single layered and hence have low bit rates. (Haven't seen the screen shot comparison between low bit rate progressive vs. high bit rate interlaced DVDs)

I never said that a progressive DVD with half the bit rate of interlaced DVD can have a better PQ. Unless, the high (double) bit rate DVD is sourced from the orig low bit progressive DVD. May be, it is this way?? Or, do you think that Video Sound did remaster these DVDs all over again ?? I, heavily doubt it.

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Rana ji! what is situation on PUKAR(dixit) and PBDHH(SRK) by EROS!! I heard were good dvds?? Prog? ???
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rana wrote:
I am very disappointed to see that all theese original progressive releases are single layered and hence have low bit rates. (Haven't seen the screen shot comparison between low bit rate progressive vs. high bit rate interlaced DVDs)

I never said that a progressive DVD with half the bit rate of interlaced DVD can have a better PQ. Unless, the high (double) bit rate DVD is sourced from the orig low bit progressive DVD. May be, it is this way?? Or, do you think that Video Sound did remaster these DVDs all over again ?? I, heavily doubt it.

Rana

Arsh, I don't have either of these DVDs. My PUKAR DVD is Amitabh's DEI DVD. PBDHH is pirate and is interlaced. If Madhuri's PUKAR and PBDHH (and many others) are prog, I will want to have them.

Arsh, your screen shot comparison for DEEWANA MASTANA has clearly shown the superiority of prog DVDs over interlaced DVDs despite DM-prog having a lower bit rate than the DM-interlaced DVD.

Another SD progressive DVD that I came across was again single layer but excellent DVD. Gharwali Baaharwali. Audio was 384 kbps. Being single layer bit rate is obviously low, but not by much. Like Deewana Mastana; single layer progressive. I think, these single layer DVDs are intelligently (I agree with their bit space management) mastered s.t. whereever high bit rate is reqd, bits are made available. For example, in colorful songs and for fast action, bit rate jumps to as high as 8.

Moreover, I don't think most of the dual layer DVDs have double the bit rate that of a single layer DVD despite double bit space being available. Just like, even a 1 hour Indian VHS movie used to be recorded on a T-120 VHS tape in LP speed. They don't wan't to or don't care to or don't know, how to press buttons.

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Sorry folks for the long absence from zulm. Even though I have not posted much I have been watching. :D

Ranaji and Arsh bhai you guys found so many progressive DVDs and that too from clowns like Eros and Videosound. This raises my hopes a bit, as they did know how to make a progressive disk with out DEI why not they pick up these old but good habits!!

It is welcome news for me about Taal being progressive. I have wanted to buy this DVD from a long time. Rana, Which of the two releases of Taal is progressive?



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rana
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ganti wrote:
Ranaji and Arsh bhai you guys found so many progressive DVDs and that too from clowns like Eros and Videosound.

It is not EROS or Video Sound. Credit/ blame goes to the authoring houses and to the replicators.

I heard that perhaps it was DEI who authored those early EROS DVDs that we have found now are progressive.

Early VS titles were done by Super Digital and are progressive. In those days, they had not started using dual layer DVDs. Subsequent batches of the same DVDs are turning out to be interlaced because of improper subtitles insertion and also due to VS pirating their own DVDs (replicated by non SD).

Rana

P.S.
Ganti, I will check and let you know which Taal version I have. It is anamorphic and does have the extra "in extras" recompiled song, "Kya Dekh Rahe Ho Tum".
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ganti, lol, u want, tall or taal



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