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Shahran Sunny Audit
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:10 pm 
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A couple of mates are launching a DVD Authoring studio in London (for the Indian/Far East film market) and we are stuck in a debate of which audio tools to install.

One of my mates says Pyramix, the other says Nuendo. But I think Protools is the best. Since many old Indian films are mono Protools software would be the best one to go for as it can create a decent 5.1 track from a mono source.

It also is an excellent all rounded machine that does many things at high end specs, and on that basis I would think it is the better of the three.

But maybe I could be wrong which is why I am asking the DVD fanatics here for some advice on which of the three do you think is best?



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Sanjay
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I personally fail to understand why you would want to mix a mono soundtrack into 5.1 channels. Quite honestly DVDs with pseudo 5.1 sound are by far worse than the plain simple mono DVDs.
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gotta agree with Sanjay here...

i want to see and hear what the director wanted me to see and hear.

unless you're getting the director's input, i wouldn't care about 5.1 for a MONO picture.
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DragunR2
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Chace Productions has remixed many mono titles to 5.1, though I don't know if they had access to the original sound stems to all the titles. I'm not sure if they sell software to do this or they only do this themselves.

http://www.chace.com
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Shahran Sunny Audit
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I am not talking about the usual crap mono to fake 5.1 sound...I am talking about proper 5.1 made from the original audio Mono track...similar to what HKL do with thier films on DVD.
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DragunR2
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Who are HKL?
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Shahran Sunny Audit
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HKL = Hong Kong Lengends are based in the UK who restore cantonesse films for the DVD and cinema. Thier restoration and new 5.1 mixes from old mono sources is quite remarkable at times and its something my mates are intrested in doing for classic Indian titles.
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Sanjay
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Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
I am not talking about the usual crap mono to fake 5.1 sound...I am talking about proper 5.1 made from the original audio Mono track...similar to what HKL do with thier films on DVD.

But to be able to do that, you would need to have the original stems of the films audio. Meaning the various premixed audio tracks of dialouges, music, sound effects etc. Unless you are actually willing to re-record some of these, which I seriously doubt due to the expense involved.
I think I am right about this, unless I am missing something. Am I?
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Sanjay wrote:
Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
I am not talking about the usual crap mono to fake 5.1 sound...I am talking about proper 5.1 made from the original audio Mono track...similar to what HKL do with thier films on DVD.

But to be able to do that, you would need to have the original stems of the films audio. Meaning the various premixed audio tracks of dialouges, music, sound effects etc. Unless you are actually willing to re-record some of these, which I seriously doubt due to the expense involved.
I think I am right about this, unless I am missing something. Am I?

Sunny, why don't your friends do newer films since they are much easier to mix and much more worthwhile. A sound fanatic like me will never buy old hindi movies even if they are mixed in 5.1 from mono.
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Sanjay
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Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
Since many old Indian films are mono Protools software would be the best one to go for as it can create a decent 5.1 track from a mono source.

I am still trying to figure out how that could be techniclly possible. That is if it is possible at all. Is it?
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Zoran009
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How do they do in HOLLYWOOD, REMASTERED classics!

Was NBNW was mono? how abt CLEOPATRA!? :baaa: ???
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Shahran Sunny Audit
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Sanjay wrote:
Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
Since many old Indian films are mono Protools software would be the best one to go for as it can create a decent 5.1 track from a mono source.

I am still trying to figure out how that could be techniclly possible. That is if it is possible at all. Is it?

Sanjay it is possibly, Tamil cinema since 1965/66 have preserves their original audio stems in case any film producers wishes to dub the film into any Indian language, which means using the original creation stored and adding Hindi words.

All the audio work in studios are done in stereo but then are outputted into mono to save on costs in creating a stereo track on the negative, and since many cinemas in the past was only mono equipped prodcuers didn't bother to produce the stereo tracks on negative, only during mixing.

So while the orignal negative has the mono sound somewhere in the sound labs lies the original sound creation in STEREO.

Mixing new sound and ADR is not as expensive as you think so creating a top quality 5.1 track will come to the overall cost of 15,000 - 20,000 UKPounds which some of my mates poteintial clientel is willing to pay, including one film from South India (not sure which title as my mates only know but will confirm soon) .

But I don't know which of the machines I mentioned can do such tasks which I was hoping to find out the answer from DVD buffs like this forum and other sound forums, but with no such luck. I will be going to a few sound studios later next week in London, Soho (where most post prodcution work on British/American films is done) to find out more about this process.
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Shahran Sunny Audit
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Find out the south Indian title "AMMEROU" some devotional hit film in Telegu with Soundrarya and Rayma Krishnan. It was released in DTS on cinema but for the DVD the producers want to master a new Dolby 5.1 mix.

I think the film was on Channel four once as I vaguly remember the name. Can anyone confirm?
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bhaskar
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Sorry Sunny, totally off topic question here!!

Do you guys have any films in mind to make DVDs of? What I mean is can you give us any example of titles you'll be doing? And which language - Hindi, Tamil, or anything you can get you're hands on?

Maybe you should start doing Tamil movies and try to give Ayngaran a run for their money!
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