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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2002 6:30 pm 
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what's with all these critics giving films 1 - 1.5 stars (ardash)or ratings under 2 out of 10? it seems every movie gets over-bashed these days. i mean, these movies can't be THAT bad. i'd give devdas 5/10 just for the background music alone. are there any GOOD critics? i find myself dismissing the "professional" reviews more and more and just listening to what you guys have to say.


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what's with all these critics giving films 1 - 1.5 stars (ardash)or ratings under 2 out of 10? it seems every movie gets over-bashed these days. i mean, these movies can't be THAT bad. i'd give devdas 5/10 just for the background music alone. are there any GOOD critics? i find myself dismissing the "professional" reviews more and more and just listening to what you guys have to say.

It seems there aren't any good critics in Bollywood. I think there is no equivalent of a Pauline Kael or Roger Ebert in Bollywood cinema. But at least we don't see "A fun masala adventure!- Taran Adarsh" on DVD covers.

By the way, Khiladi, what did you mean by "10 yr old Hrithik with the face and body of a man -Hrithik himself"? Did Hrithik play a 10 year old in Fiza???


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DragunR2,

Yes, at the beginning of Fiza when Hrithik is pulling faces and getting Amla Hair oil rubbed into his head as well as when he is witnessing the riots he is 'around' the age of ten years old. This was why Khalid Mohammed was slagged off by the film magazines, other critics, etc. It's something to do with the age when Karisma graduates and she dicides to go looking for Hrithik which is 6 years after Hrithik went missing. (I'm not sure in India what is the usual age for graduation) but let's say it's 18, that would mean that Karisma (Fiza) was 12 in the opening scenes where she was talking about her "lovely, YOUNGER brother Amaan". So that would make Hrithik around 9 or 10 years old! Not only that but Neha looked quite developed for a 9 or 10 yr old too!

I think I made a mistake with coca-cola flaw. It was actually a colgate advert, when Hrithik and Neha were dancing to 'Aaja mahiya'. That was supposed to have taken place in the early nineties, but I heard that colgate wasn't advertised like that in the early nineties, plus the actual advert was seen in mumbai in 99/2000.


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Agni varsha DVD! pre order:

Agni Varsha (Cinebella)

PRODUCT ID: 201746

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Jackie Shroff, Raveena Tandon, Milind Soman, Nagarjuna, Prabhu Deva.
Order starts shipping September 5th
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Category: DVD / Movies, English Subtitle
Language: Hindi


india plaza..da chors , of course! :baaa: :bangbang: :ffs:




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POETIC STREAM, THOUGH IT TENDS TO MEANDER


Critic's I-View



The story hardly makes a contribution to the film's movement. Rather, it is the beautifully created scenes---with every frame looking like a painting---that contribute to the film's surge. As Arjun seems to be focussing his creativity on the visuals, it is but understandable that he misses out to some extent on the narration. And, perhaps, it is due to this that the film starts flagging a little as it approaches the finish line.

The storyline, a trifle confusing to start out with, sorts itself out as the film progresses and is able to hold the audience's attention. But in the end, it is the presentation that mesmerises.


Jackie Shroff, without his trademark moustache for only the second time in his film career (he appeared clean-shaven for the first time in Mahesh Bhatt's 'Kaash'), shows that his shift to playing a character role from his usual 'hero' takes, can bear rich fruit. He reveals that given the right role, he can put his histrionic talent to best display. The other male artistes, Nagarjuna, Milind Soman and Prabhudeva, also display a lot of energy and enthusiasm. Amitabh Bachchan's 'special appearance' is more a favour to his friend Sajnani.

The film boasts of a mellifluous background score by Taufiq Kureshi and equally melodious songs composed by Sandesh Shandilya. Javed Akhtar's lyrics are in sync with the history of the period. Anil Mehta's cinematography deserves a mention and Leena Singh and Rukmini Krishnan have done wonders with the costume design.

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POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT..........
another nice review from
http://www.glamsham.com

The film is adapted from the play of the same name by India’s foremost playwright, Girish Karnad. Derived from ‘The Myth Of Yavakri’ – a part of the renowned epic ‘The Mahabharata’, this film retains the essence of the story as told in the epic though somewhat altered by the playwright. Agni Varsha is produced by iDream Productions (known for films like Monsoon Wedding, Bend It Like Beckham) and directed by Arjun Sajnani. The film was shot entirely on location at Hampi, the seat of the Vijaynagar Empire in the 13th century, which is now a World Heritage Site, under the stewardship of the Archaeological Survey of India. The period has been accurately recreated in the film without losing its contemporary insights that are so intrinsic to the original script.

Agni Varsha begins with a short narration by Raghuvir Yadav, which leads to the place where a ‘Mahayagya’ was being performed by Paravasu (Jackie Shroff), the head priest. The Mahayagya is to please Lord Indra – The lord of rains. This takes you to the past story of the main plot. The first half is more or less a combination of couple of sub plots about the rivalry between Paravasu and Yavakari (Nagarjun), Raibhya and Paravasu. Also shown is the romantic background of Vishakha (Raveena Tandon) and Yavakari. Most of these sub plots conclude before interval with the killing of Yavakari by the Bramha Rakshas (Prabhu Deva) sent by Raibhya. Paravasu leaves his family to hold the Mahayagya. But all these also carry the romance of Arvasu (Milind Soman) and Nithilai (Sonali Kulkarni). In the meanwhile, Parvasu kills Raibhya when he secretly comes to his home at night.

Arvasu and Nithilai dominate the second half. Nithilai could not get married to Arvasu as he could not reach on time to face the Panchayat called by Nithilai’s father to arrange their marriage. Nithilai has to marry someone else. Nonetheless she leaves the place and joins Arvasu. Aravasu joins a drama family and is to perform a play at the site of the Mahayagya. While performing, Arvasu sets everything on fire, which leads Parvasu to walk into the fire as he thinks that everything went wrong only because of him. Finally Lord Indra appears and blesses Arvasu and the land is filled with a shower.

Milind Soman and Sonali Kulkarni dominate the story. The rest appear on and of for a brisk time including Jackie Shroff, Nagarjun, Raveena Tandon, Mohan Agashe and Prabhu Deva. Amitabh Bachchan is in a very small role, playing the character of Lord Indra. The story is too complex for a common man, but very gripping too.

Watching Agni Varsha is like reliving the age-old myth even as its multi-faceted characters, which transcend time, play out its inexorable end. The film is not a regular masala flick, though it has beautiful and hummable songs. The photography is simple and great too. The director has had a very clear idea of the story and has not whisked from the script. The background score requires a mention and music composed by Sandesh Shadilya is marvelous.

Lets see how the mass responds to this epic tale as compared to ‘Lagaan’. All in all, it is a clean story, a plain narration of ‘The Myth of Yavakari’.

VERDICT : Worth watching something uncommon!!



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STEAMY varsha! is out finally at IW.com:


Title Agnivarsha
Description Amitabh, Prabhudeva, Nagarjuna, Raveena Tandon, Jackie Shroff, Milind Soman, Sonali Kulkarni
Director ARJUN SAJNANI
Brand/Distributor Cinebella
Genre Film, Drama, Epic
Subtitles English
Category DVD
Features
Year 2002

Price $17.99

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Shit too late i have already ordered my dvds!!!!

Someone pls post some steamy pics of this dvd - I bet u all Sknath will get the pics UP first!!

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Ok! Ranj(rishi?, am I right?)

Get ready for STEAMY VARSHA!It is on its way to ali, for posting.

Agni Varha...Specs:

CINABELLA..BEYOND BOLLYWOOD

Hindi, English Sub titles.
All NTSC, All regions.
2hrs 9 minutes.(only).
Wide screen, anamorphic presentation.
Sound..DD 5.1..True!

No chapter insert!, just one page with cast and credits insert???

Stay tuned for the STEAMY show!

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Agnivarsha gets rave reviews in US


IANS [ SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 07, 2002 12:25:09 PM ]

NEW YORK: Panned by critics and rejected by audiences in India, director Arjun Sajnani's Agnivarsha, based on a subplot in the epic Mahabharata, has won rave reviews from two leading US dailies.


A Los Angeles Times review by Kevin Thomas said of the film: "Sophisticated direction elevates a Hindi genre film with timeless themes and plenty of spectacle."


And in a New York Times article titled Heaven and Earth at Violent Odds in an Indian Epic, critic Stephen Holden said: "The volcanic passions that rumble through Agnivarsha: The Fire and the Rain, a dense, colourful dramatisation of a portion of the Indian epic Mahabharata, are literally earthshaking."


Holding remarked: "The relationship between heaven and earth throughout the movie is volatile, as the human characters, who imagine they have more power than they do, find themselves at the mercy of divine forces.


"Even though Agnivarsha is set in ancient times and rooted in Hindu traditions, the questions it poses about morality, faith and destiny transcend culture.


"Generally speaking, hubris is punished and devotion and humility are rewarded."


Agnivarsha is the first of a series of art films being released in North America by the Los Angeles-based firm Cinebella with the theme "Beyond Bollywood". The event was prompted by the positive reception of Indian films like Lagaan.


Cinebella hopes to build the same kind of niche market for Indian art films in North America that Chinese and Iranian movies have.


Holding said that like mainstream Bollywood films, Agnivarsha includes elaborate song and dance sequences, but here they have a deeper ritualistic and musical weight than in typical Indian movies.


The film is based in a "timeless era centuries before modern technology during a drought that has lasted a decade. Water is sacred, and when it is spilled, there is usually a price to pay. The characters' goal is to persuade the gods to bring rain, but politics, class divisions and bitter family rivalries intervene."


Much of the film's action revolves around a fire sacrifice presided over by a priest, Paravasu (Jackie Shroff), who has abandoned his adoring wife, Vishaka (Raveena Tandon), after only a year of marriage.


She seeks solace in the arms of his cousin and rival Yavakri (Nagarjuna), who "returns earlier than expected from a frustrating 10-year retreat in the jungle, where he sought divine wisdom but received no clear knowledge," Holding said.


"The story's climax, echoing (William Shakespeare's) Hamlet, is a play within a play.


Holding felt Agnivarsha has a lavish ceremonial gloss.


"It is also a very erotic movie. The characters have voracious sexual appetites, and as they exchange steamy glances and fall into passionate embraces, the camera admires their glistening bodies and luxuriates in their desire."


The Los Angeles Times review is titled "The Fire and the Rain is Bollywood for the Rest of Us".


In it, Thomas said: "Like the recent Lagaan, this is a splendid example of contemporary Bollywood in which a director's sophisticated style and vision have been brought to bear on the beloved conventions of popular Hindi cinema.


"As in Hamlet, its climactic sequence involves a troupe of travelling players staging a play that confronts the villain with his perfidy.


"It has intricate plotting and the overheated emotions of silent movies, with literate English subtitles that read like silent (film's) inter-titles -- eg, 'The sight of my luscious daughter-in-law is enough to keep me in good shape!'"


Thomas said though the film might be "lurid and campy at times but (it) also manages to be powerfully moving, exploring such timeless themes as the conflict between love and duty, the subordination of women, the evils of superstition, the folly of revenge and the curse of India's caste system."


The film's strong cinematic quality stands in sharp contrast to the old-style, technically crude Bollywood blockbusters that ran on interminably and continually came to a grinding halt for obligatory production numbers, he said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... d=21451582

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I saw Agnivarsha the other day and it's not a film everyone would like. It's a bit arty and since it was based on a play it may strike a chord with theatre-goers. excellent cinematography though, in places reminded me of Asoka, nice use of colours too, especially red. The acting was good, except what seemed a bit strange is that Milind Soman looks built and tough but plays a complete weakling in this, who get's pushed around by everyone.

I hear it's an adaptation of certain portions of Mahabharata, however when I saw the TV serials of Mahabharata I cannot recall the story of Yavakri, and am not familiar with characters such as Paravasu, Aravasu, etc. does anyone know where abouts it appears?


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Sonali Kulkarni: Work Varsha?
Sonali Kulkarni is in demand! Her sterling performances in Dil Chahta Hai and Agni Varsha have impressed filmmakers so much so that they are making a beeline outside her door. Films apart, Sonali Kulkarni has become quiet a name in the social circles too. Isha Satva Collection at Reves the upmarket jewellery design house in Mumbai chose Ms Kulkarni to inaugurate thier diamond jewellery showroom. Sonali not only lit the lamp but also had a glimpse at the exquisite jewellery which she could not stop ooohing and aaaaahing over. Diamonds are a girls best friend and Sonali is no exception

*** indeed , she has the longest footage, in the film, BUT real WINNER imho was PRABHU DEVA as DEMON/RAKSHSHISH..even being low footage He comes out to be WINNER in his PERFORMANCE! really impressive! :baaa:


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arsh,

I agree Prabhudeva was great as the Rakshaas. I especially liked the bit where he was first summond...from the ground. I was not expecting that.

I don't think Amitabh was as disappointing as people made out. He could've been given more screen time, though.


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yaar KHILAADI,
I dont understand, why on the EARTH, AB was to be used for that< 5 minutes role, while frankly, any body could become LORD INDRA the same way!?
It was just for COMMERCIAL REASONS..to paste his FOTO on CD/DVD/Posters!

and then CRITICS: fools summing their REVIEWS.."AB disappoints" is RIDICULOUS..

AB was not given to do any thing in this film!

I enjoyed his VOCALS more than his PRESENCE in LAGAAN than himself here!! :baaa:

On the other hand..seeing PRABHU DEVA in a small role, STEALING the THUNDER is really REMARKABLe for his ACTING/TALENTS... HE was INDEED a GOOD pick for the role.

Sonali, amazed me every time, I saw him, in 3 movies, whether, she was KHAN SAHAB's wife, Hrithi's mother, Bubbly,heroine of SAIf or a JUNGLI girl in AGNI VARSHA, she had been IMPRESSIVE! :baaa: :cool: :oo:


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I rented Agnivarsha yesterday and here are my impressions.

While I admired the ambition of filming such a story, Agnivarsha fell short of being a good film. Apparently, this is a peripheral story of Mahabharat. It probably isn't well known and with good cause. Only judging by the movie, the story is rather tedious. All the characters are mired in dark and depressing situations without any philosophy behind it all. So the characters are all angry, unhappy, and spiteful. What of it? The film is depressing without any breathing room, which left me numb at the end. I don't know about the original story, but the story as presented in the film is kind of dull. I wouldn't have wanted a Johnny Lever comedy track in this film, but there should be some lightness in the script to let the audience rest a little while. But the script is unrelentingly dire and dark without any particular reason for it to be so. At least in the more famous Mahabharat stories the graver plot points had some lesson or something driving it. Here it is just depression for the sake of it. Has anyone here seen the play or read the original story?

The performances of Nagarjuna and Prabhudeva stood out for me. Nagarjuna's Yavakri is an egoistic selfish guy and Prabhudeva's demon is quite captivating. It is great to see him dancing and smirking like he does. While the others weren't horrible, I didn't find them particularly memorable. Jackie Shroff was also pretty good in his limited screen time (though I will never get used to seeing him without his mustache), and Amitabh Bachchan was competent as Indra.

Cinematography, sound, and special effects were well done. I especially liked all the fire at the end and the opening of Prabhudeva's dance. I thought that his shooting up into space at the end looked cartoony, like he was the Rocketeer or something. Perhaps Anil Mehta will shoot a third film about a rainless land that gets rain at the end and make it a trilogy :)

The DVD is surprisingly soft, almost as if the high frequency details were filtered out of the picture.


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