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rana
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Of the 15 or 20 Hindi EVP titles, it's easier to identify the titles that are definitely Video sourced, i.e. even the original release was Video based (all non-SAI DIGITAL).

Of the titles done by SAI DIGITAL, the original releases are all Film based and the subsequent, supposed to be more-saleable (subtitles), releases have lost the Film base (2-3 pull down) cadence. So the trick is to get the original version EVP-SAI DIGITAL combo which did not have subtitles. How do we know, which version is which or which one is pirate, is any body's guess.

I will post a few titles tomorrow or I can give a preliminary list today if you prefer.

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No problem Ranaji I can wait for the list, as I am not in a hurry to buy them right away. I will slowly try to locate the titles for the right price
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On the side note, I think your Faroudja de-interlacer succeeds in re-interleaving, or what I call as weaving the frames together, Video based signal as well, if it originated from Film. As it compares pixel-by-pixel info, it will recognise which video field is basically repeated and will throw it away. It will use only the original frames, not the repeated frames, to create new 24 steps per second signal like DEI DVDs.

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IF IT DOESN'T CONFUSE THE ISSUE too much, I would like to discuss 72 refresh rate. 60 Hz refresh rate reportedly causes judder (some frames repeated 2 times and some 3 times). When adjusting the settings for Force Weave, I did notice and tried 72 Hz refresh rate setting. It worked, but I didn't detect any difference. To see the difference, I have to train my eyes to detect what Judder is.

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Rana,
Believe me I tried 72HZ refresh rate, which seems to work great with the Pal based NTSC DVD’s. But like most digital projectors my projector works better with 60HZ.
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I think your Faroudja de-interlacer succeeds in re-interleaving, or what I call as weaving the frames together, Video based signal as well, if it originated from Film


May be that's what it is doing. But these does not look as good as DEI. Especially sharpness never gets closer to the DEI titles.



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ganti wrote:
Pal based NTSC DVD’s.

Did you mean Film based NTSC DVD??

What is
DVD’
??

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ganti wrote:
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I think your Faroudja de-interlacer succeeds in re-interleaving, or what I call as weaving the frames together, Video based signal as well, if it originated from Film


May be that's what it is doing. But these does not look as good as DEI. Especially sharpness never gets closer to the DEI titles.

Obviously.
You can't get DVD quality when the source is Video tape that has half the res.

But, what about DEEWANA MASTANA type DVDs that are interlaced but excellent. If your Faroudja re-interleaves the frames, you should get PQ as good as DEI ??

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What is
DVD’

That is an ' converting to this number(’) by Zulm HTML editor.

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Did you mean Film based NTSC DVD??

No, I mean Pal based movies converted to NTSC dvd's like all Indian DVD's sold in US



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But, what about DEEWANA MASTANA type DVDs that are interlaced but excellent. If your Faroudja re-interleaves the frames, you should get PQ as good as DEI ??

I doubt it, like I said before even EVP Video based dvd's are very good in that regard but not as sharp as DEI when projected to a bigger screen. I have to see my self but size does definitely affect the PQ.

Arsh is using dvd player to feed his HDTV. I am comparing this by using a HTPC and by projecting on an 8 feet wide screen.
I think I need to do some more explanation on this but I can get back to you tomorrow only.



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Let me explain the experience I have with my setup regarding Indian film mode DVD's vs. video mode DVD's.

As I am using a large screen (width=92 inch or diagonal=106 inch) which is 3 times bigger in area than an average HDTV area (55 inch) to project the images, I can see all the imperfections whether I like it or not.
Any HTPC when build properly beats any DVDplayer/scalar combo worth 10 times more for film mode dvd's. My HTPC is no less as I am using a Radeon based Video card coupled with Cinemaster Video filter through ATI player.
Please note that I also have WinDVD4 and PowerDVD installed in this system.

Now an ideal DVD with a good source and properly done video (proper contrast, sharpness and hue tones) can be rated 10 in the scale of 1 to 10.

In my setup with HTPC I can rate HNPH at 9 and the best EVP video based DVD's I can rate at 4(with good source and properly done video but video mode).

If I use my progressive scan dvd player which is know to have a better algorithm for Video sourced material, I can rank EVP video based DVD's at 5.5 and KNPH at 7.



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ganti wrote:
If I use my progressive scan dvd player which is know to have a better algorithm for Video sourced material, I can rank EVP video based DVD's at 5.5 and KNPH at 7.

What if your HTPC system had the same or better algorithm as in your Progressive DVD player??

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What if your HTPC system had the same or better algorithm as in your Progressive DVD player??


You know what I am going to tell. It will be 5.5 to 6 for the best Video based dvd and 9 for HNPH.
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see next



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ganti wrote:
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Did you mean Film based NTSC DVD??

No, I mean Pal based movies converted to NTSC dvd's like all Indian DVD's sold in US

What makes you say, "Pal based movies converted to NTSC dvd's like all Indian DVD's sold in US"?

I thought 99% of Indian DVDs are Film to NTSC.

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Rana,

I may be wrong. But I have a feeling that most of the Indian dvd's are not directly film to DVD rather film to PAL and to NTSC. That's why these crap? What about the quality of Indian PAL DVD's sold in Europe? Are they any better?



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