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Shahran Sunny Audit
PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2002 4:42 pm 
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Below is a preview of the forthcoming DVD from Ayngaran International...GEMINI. The DVD release date will be end of September 2002.

The recent blockbuster hit won't be termed or launched as a special edition (thats for their next year title's) however GEMINI will come with the free DVD disc with a one hour plus+ making of features, EPK stuff. The bonus features are listed in the screenshot taken from the main menu courtsey of Aynagran.

The price will be the same as their other titles.

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I can also inform you that this is going to be Ayngaran first DVD ever to be presented in the correct aspect ratio of 2.35:1, which I ensure would happen on this and all of their other forthcoming widescreen titles thanks with my coresspondent to Prasad. They will be doing the same for Hindi DVDs too done for EROS and YASH RAJ FILMS.

Unfortunatly they still will use interlaced video until early next year when they upgrade to a progressive system. The sound of Gemini is done from the orignal DTS mix master Hi8 tape, so expect a top quality soundtrack! Subtitles are also reasonable well done.

But one bad news; The special features are not subtitled in English. However Aynagran assures me that there forthcoming proper fully blown collector's edtion will be all subtitled in English.
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kpolina
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must me a good movie. It is being retaken in Telugu with Venkatesh as the hero.
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Do this Aynagran DVD have the embossed logo or did they dropped that idea?

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I can also inform you that this is going to be Ayngaran first DVD ever to be presented in the correct aspect ratio of 2.35:1, which I ensure would happen on this and all of their other forthcoming widescreen titles thanks with my coresspondent to Prasad. They will be doing the same for Hindi DVDs too done for EROS and YASH RAJ FILMS.


I was checking Company DVD out earlier and comparing shots with a song compilation DVD that came with NTJNH. It’s not so much that Prasad crop the video but they don’t properly matt the splice marks on top and bottom of the film frame - which effects the aspect ratio. Company on the Eros DVD is close to 2.35:1 and splice marks can be clearly seen throughout the film flickering on the top as scenes change. The Kallas song on the compilation DVD is properly matted and the aspect ratio is close to 2.55:1 – which I reckon is the intended ratio for the film. I don’t know if this would apply to Ayngaran DVDs but its certainly the case for recent Eros titles; Company, Filhaal, Karanti and probably others too.

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Shahran Sunny Audit
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For KPOLINA =
GEMINI is being remade in both Telugu and in Hindi as well as it is one of India's biggest hit on the screen for 2002. The film is a typical Indian movie, with a ok-ish screenplay. GEMINI was a blockbuster solely because of the Hip-Hop track 'Kadhal Enbada (Female)' & the heavy rock & Indian track 'Oh! Podu' which puts some of the more recent Indian soundtracks to shame...Also the heroine Kiran looks quite buff in the film!

Isn't it ironic that her this small regional film made more money then her debut film big budgeted film Yaddien.

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I doubt matting the frame should be an issue for Tamil DVDs as they are all digitally editing on AVID and as such splices aren't normally seen on newer films since 1999 - unless a scene was edited on steinbeck then put onto Avid (e.g. K3G or Mudhlavan)
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Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
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I doubt matting the frame should be an issue for Tamil DVDs as they are all digitally editing on AVID and as such splices aren't normally seen on newer films since 1999 - unless a scene was edited on steinbeck then put onto Avid (e.g. K3G or Mudhlavan)

Sunny, whether a film is edited on a Steenbeck or an Avid, a negative cutter conforms the negative to what has been edited. This requires cutting the actual film, so splices would be apparent anyways.

Ali, you were saying that "Company" might have been intended at 2.55:1. However, that aspect ratio went out of use in America way back in the 50s. A search at the IMDB for 2.55:1 films indicated that they were all made in 1953, 1954, or 1955, except for one Russian 1988 film. And then again, aren't some of the lenses used in India from Russia? The Spark "Fiza" DVD is 2.55:1. It's not impossible for many films to be 2.55:1, but neither the entire width nor the entire height of frame of film should be seen. If only cinematographers and directors would supervise the film to tape transfer, or at least, submit aspect ratio information to Prasad, these little confusions wouldn't happen.

I just hope that the "Making of" on the "Gemini" DVD isn't some EPK type thing shown on TV with no information on the making of the film. And the news that Prasad is upgrading to progressive equipment is great.
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Ali, you were saying that "Company" might have been intended at 2.55:1. However, that aspect ratio went out of use in America way back in the 50s. A search at the IMDB for 2.55:1 films indicated that they were all made in 1953, 1954, or 1955, except for one Russian 1988 film. And then again, aren't some of the lenses used in India from Russia? The Spark "Fiza" DVD is 2.55:1. It's not impossible for many films to be 2.55:1, but neither the entire width nor the entire height of frame of film should be seen. If only cinematographers and directors would supervise the film to tape transfer, or at least, submit aspect ratio information to Prasad, these little confusions wouldn't happen.


I agree with when you say cinematographers and directors should be involved with transfers only then we can see the same results we get from Hollywood DVDs – even the ‘greatest’ of the directors like Lucas and Spielberg oversee the DVD transfers of their films.

I’ll post some screen shots to illustrate the ‘Company’ aspect ratio and splice mark problem. Regarding Fiza – the right aspect ratio was more close to 2.40:1 – remember DEI squashed the video to 2.55:1 on the DVD.

2.55:1 might be an uncommon aspect ratio but that’s the measured ratio I got from the song Kallas. You can also deduce this ratio from the DVD transfer of Company on the Eros DVD – since the splice marks are not meant to be seen just cover them up and you’ll end up with ratio close to 2.55:1. But like you say ‘neither the entire width nor the entire height of frame of film should be seen’ – so the actual intended ratio is only down to cinematographers and directors – hence the need for their input on these DVDs.

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Shahran Sunny Audit
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DragunR2 wrote:
Sunny, whether a film is edited on a Steenbeck or an Avid, a negative cutter conforms the negative to what has been edited. This requires cutting the actual film, so splices would be apparent anyways. I just hope that the "Making of" on the "Gemini" DVD isn't some EPK type thing shown on TV with no information on the making of the film. And the news that Prasad is upgrading to progressive equipment is great.


Avid is used to capture the footage to be used from the 35mm film then it is edited on the their software package, similar to DV editing. Since your capturing the film from its negative there is no need to phsyically cut the negative. Some Indian/Hollywood film-makers do cut negative so they can save time and money on hiring out the studio faclities but then editing splices are left in as a result.

Gemini second disc is EPK stuff, which is why Ayngaran are not annoncing it as part of their forthcoming collectors edition, I did mention this on in post!



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Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
DragunR2 wrote:
Sunny, whether a film is edited on a Steenbeck or an Avid, a negative cutter conforms the negative to what has been edited. This requires cutting the actual film, so splices would be apparent anyways. I just hope that the "Making of" on the "Gemini" DVD isn't some EPK type thing shown on TV with no information on the making of the film. And the news that Prasad is upgrading to progressive equipment is great.


Avid is used to capture the footage to be used from the 35mm film then it is edited on the their software package, similar to DV editing. Since your capturing the film from its negative there is no need to phsyically cut the negative. Some Indian/Hollywood film-makers do cut negative so they can save time and money on hiring out the studio faclities but then editing splices are left in as a result.

Huh?
Are you saying no film element is cut? That can't be true.
The only way around cutting film elements is when you
transfer everything to HD and cut only the HD. But no
Indian films are done that way. And I'm not even sure any
Hollywood films are like that except the ones shot on HD.
It's still the norm that a fully cut film master exists for
archive purposes if not production of actual release prints.
You can not edit on Avid and other non HD video systems and
generate 35mm prints from the cut video master unless you
are happy with video quality in theaters. Indian prints are
made from film elements, not video masters.
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Shahran Sunny Audit
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Now I'm baffed as Indian producer P.A Arunachalam informed (for an assignment I did for college) me that was the way they had editied some of there films. Maybe they have a different system there from Hollywood.
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I'm gonna have to concu with mhafner an ali here. The films are edited on the AVID, but the final "reel" is made by actual cutting of film elements.

That's the way most people do this...
THe only other way is to print the the digital footage onto film using lasers, but no bollywood film has done that yet.
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youullu wrote:
I'm gonna have to concu with mhafner an ali here. The films are edited on the AVID, but the final "reel" is made by actual cutting of film elements.

That's the way most people do this...
THe only other way is to print the the digital footage onto film using lasers, but no bollywood film has done that yet.

And the image would look pretty bad if you made a film print from Avid files. Deleted scenes on DVDs are often from Avid sources, though I'm not sure on the titles. I think I read somewhere that the Gladiator deleted scenes were from Avid.

Sunny, did Ayngaran send you that screenshot or do they give you preview DVDs?



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Shahran Sunny Audit
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DragunR2 wrote:
Sunny, did Ayngaran send you that screenshot or do they give you preview DVDs?

I got a DVD preview, and so far I am quite pleased with the quality. The DVD is expected to release at the end of September.



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Audit, could u give us shots lol? :baaa:
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Shahran Sunny Audit
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I have given back the DVD-r disc to Aynagran, But will see if I can get the screenshots by getting the disc of them again.
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Sunny,
Any idea if we can expect a fully subtitled(i.e. subtitles on the songs as well) and OAR'ed anamorphic, progressive versions of Kandukondain Kandukondain and Kannathil Muthamittal?

If they're going to start thier special editions with interlaced versions, it would be sad indeed.
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