BEST DVD EVER---COMPANY: Is it possible --- watching on a “MONEY NO OBJECT” Home Theatre.

A question for Ali/ mhafner.

BACKGROUND:
I have seen Company review on zulm and I agree with the bad video reported for the EROS DVD. Also, I think it was stated to be a video sourced DVD where 2-3 pull down is not available.

On the weekend, I was surprised when one of my friends/ acquaintances stated and insisted that the best Indian DVD that he has ever seen is COMPANY. I must add that he does have a state of the art, “money no object” Home Theatre (Top of the Line RUNCO, Line quadruplers, video processors/ scalers, all digital etc.).

QUESTIONS:
1) Is it possible that if you have a “money no object” system, you can fix all the shortcomings of a poor source like EROS’s COMPANY DVD??
2) Is it possible to recreate the original film frames out of a source where the 2-3 pull down sequence has been lost. Or, may be it is “BOB” line doublers doing the job??

Thanks.

Rana

! dont think ! U can make CRAP into GOODIEs, film was good, I think ur friend meantof film dvd not vIDEO DVD??? are u sure!
I think to some extent on GOOd system, But Gadhe ka GHODA naheen banta miyan!!

flaws become more obvious on big screens and systems, Source matters a lot and transfer too!
But i will love to see bIG GURs's opinion on that too???? :vsneaky:

No way best ever DVD Too many basic flaws even to considering classing it as best ever; framing, cropping, shadow detail, blemishes on source etc.

I remembered Arsh mentioned that playing DVD even poor ones on high-end systems (progressive scan players, component out etc) enhanced the video. You pay a price for these high-end systems and for reasons too – they come with sophisticated A/V processors to give you that enhanced enjoyment – maybe they can improve the picture somewhat (which may go somewhere to answering your two questions), but I wouldn’t be able to tell as these systems are out of my league.

As Arsh says source maters and Eros system are not the best sourced DVDs.

Rana, maybe your friend with ‘money no object’ did the Company DVD himself with hi-def anamorphic source from the original negative – in which case, can I have a copy? :where: (pretty please mas: )

Ali

Rana, give your friend a copy of the Superbit "Fifth Element" and see whether he still considers "Company" the best DVD.

Rana,
I have no words to describe the feeling after hearing this from a guy like you. I thought to start a post regarding how pathetic Indian dvd’s are and especially Compnay by EROS. I believe they found new standards with this dvd by going below 0 rating on PQ.
Well, we can certenally watch this dvd on a 13 inch tv with out knowing any of the image problems but not on a big screen no matter how good ones set up is.



Edited By ganti on July 02 2002 at 17:09

U got it, Dragun r2, hath kangan ko arsi kiya!? U picked the right stuff, fifth element super bit,man! even hollywood films, can not match that transfer....period..real very high reference standard stuff!hard to beat, and here we are comparing on the bottom of the chain, indian dvd transfer by eros the shit..named company with that!
Whata match!?

Yes! a good sytem can enhance to an extent, but can reveal a lot too!!Sounds is a bonus too, from high end system!

Comparison of Fifth Element super bit to Eros company is like:

kahan raja Bhoj(fifth element super bit) aur kahan Gangu teli(company by eros)????? :vsneaky:

Arsh,
Not only Fifth element super bit which is no doubt exceptional but lot of the new dvd’s are really looking great with great transfers like Spy Game, Black Hawk Down, JP3 and even Don’t say a word have great transfer with excellent sound.



Edited By ganti on July 03 2002 at 08:56

I would say that comparison's about right

It's too bad that the maha chors in the Indian DVD game don't follow American DVDs. The quality is just getting better and better, whereas it's been crap ever since DEI stopped doing Ero$'s discs. Can you imagine how much better Company could have been if DEI did it? Khallas!

Driven has a brilliant picture and sound. Most new dvds do. Was a little disapointed with black hawk down and oceans eleven. But comparing indian dvds with english ones is like comparing the Bhutan football team with Brazil.

Ali shame on you for removing the classic Zulm quotes thread !... else the above quote surely becomes a classic !

Ali the basic thing to be observed here is that in most "money a factor" systems, the decoding system is a DUMB decoding system i.e you dont have any leverage as to how you can view the output.

However in "money no factor" systems you surely can change (read modify) the output based on ur needs. This is basically a smart decoder. We also can do that manually, by tuning various knobs on ur TV systems ( brightness etc.) but that is not effective enough as we do not have control on such things as "blockiness" in the decoded output ( as a result of MPEG-2 compression). These smart processors can actually fiddle with these parameters and keep track of the previous data while updating the present data ( the so called feedback factor)... One factor being actually being able to deinterlace the data and make it "pseudo-progressive" so that the user is under the illusion that its actually a progressive source, and once it becomes progressive we can use any number of image processing algorithms to make the image (video-frame) better than the original :gob:
Lil wonder such systems have earned the title "money no factor" systems...

As a researcher i would surely be interested in such a system...

Good one.
If you put aside your dream system, in reality most people (except those who spent lot of time spending time on the forms like AVS) who spend lot of money i.e. more than $50,000 does not have any special knowledge of the AV equipment they have. Most of them just go to a Hi end home theater store and ask the sales person to suggest a system better than their neighbor and ask them to install before he or she comes back from a trip.
Probably they may be using an S video to feed to the projector. I have seen lot of money no object systems with poor to worst quality image.

Masti Man I agree with you about Driven but Black Hawk down has also one of the best pictures out there.
Check these reviews.


VIDEO: "Black Hawk Down" is presented by Columbia/Tristar in 2.40:1 anamorphic widescreen. The picture quality, while not quite flawless, is often simply amazing. What tiny flaws there are don't keep this presentation from being, in my opinion, reference quality. Sharpness and detail are beyond exceptional; I've seen presentations with excellent depth and detail before, but this picture often boasts a very remarable three-dimensional feel to the image. —Review by dvdtalk
4.5/5

How is the transfer?

Amazing!

Mastered in high definition, Black Hawk Down
is one of the best-looking DVDs available today.
Don't be fooled by the intentional amount of grain
that shows up in a small amount of scenes -- Ridley
Scott uses grain, blue and green filters and high
contrast to cleverly visualize his scenes. Through
it all, you will be simply amazed by the jaw-dropping
clarity of the picture that looks clean and crisp. –Review by Home Theater Talk

VIDEO: “DRIVEN” As marvelous as the sound quality is, the image quality is almost equally outstanding. Warner presents "Driven" in an absolutely stellar 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen edition that is often almost inches away from perfection. Sharpness and detail are nothing short of spectacular, as the amount of depth and detail to the image is nothing short of remarkable. The image is consistently, whether light or dark, indoor or out, consistently smooth and "film-like".

The presentation is so very close to being perfect. There's only the very slightest hint of edge enhancement to take away from an otherwise splendid presentation.

4.5/5



Edited By ganti on July 03 2002 at 13:09

I knew you would say that.

I was puzzled when he (my friend) commented that COMPANY DVD (EROS) has the best picture. I couldn’t convince him that COMPANY and other DVDs he mentioned have bad picture quality. He mentioned about his top of the line RUNCO Home Theatre (THX certified) (costing upwards of $250,000). He also told me of his supplier that I know normally sells genuine/ region-legal DVDs. This, combined with the following observations------

1) EROS-B4U (and many other examples) DVDs are not recognized as film source on progressive DVD players but DVDO’s i-scan plus decoder/ line doubler (aprox $ 600) detects them as film??
2) A few years back, there was a talk show by Ameen Sayani of Binaca Geetmala fame. Film clips were shown from a beta tape (must have been interlaced NTSC/ PAL standard) and were projected on a 10 ft screen using professional video processor and projector. The projection was just like film.


-------in the past, made me wonder if smart processing (using sknath’s terminology) can fix some or most of the shortcomings of a bad source/ DVD.

Rana

P.S.
In my opinion, the # of good quality Indian DVDs available today, doesn’t justify purchase of a large screen digital TV/ Plasma etc. With the demise of DEI and EVP dormant, I don’t foresee good quality Indian DVDs for a few years.

I dont see it FOREVER rana ji, kya baat karte ho!!
These guys are devil lEECHES, Khun Chusne Waale Keede..Saale, Chute Badmash Saare! :vangry:
inse sar phodo tou apna sar pharega! lol!!hopeless morons!!