BTW I have a feeling this 5 hour edit of Asoka will appear on DVD; official or not :0

Ali



Edited By ali on May 14 2002 at 17:41

http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit.../index.asp

For the very few people who actually saw & understood the aesthetic merits of this brilliant technical piece of work, read the article through the link provided above. As far as I'm concerned, I had a realization of every-bit of point that the writer brings up in the article before I had read it, however, i lacked to believe if my understandings of Santosh Sivan's Asoka would be a common share of thoughts with other intellects, now that I know, it enhances my likings more towards Santosh Sivan's work.




Edited By prince naz on June 26 2002 at 07:36

This is just to give you an update :-

This DVD is supposed to be a R2 DVD encoded in a PAL format.
Now my friend had ordered this DVd from UK and hence it isnt supposed to be playing on any DVD players or ROM's here but....

1.) It has an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 and this is displayed correctly when I play this DVD on my friends computer which has a Creative PC DVD player (supposedly) with a region encoding 1 :gob:

2.) It wouldnt play on a SONY DVD player (Region Code problem)

3.) It played on an APEX 1500 DVD player and it wasnt even hacked...and also the display system was NTSC and not PAL ( whats going on here ? :gob:)..i.e we dont have to flip the Pal/NTSC button on the remote !
Secondly as it wasnt hacked it shouldnt be playing any other dvds other than R1 DVds.... but it did ... !! So that is what is intriguing me :gob:

Anyone else noticed this ?

As stated in numerous other threads and posts Asoka by Metrodome is not region coded – it’s common practice with DVD in the UK/Euro, especially ‘foreign’ films.

Ali

Ali if u noticed the disk...you will see a Big 2 embossed on it ! (what does that mean) ?

Secondly you can also check our play.com.. u will get Asoka only when u search for R2 DVds and not R0 DVds !

Hmmm so it has a ‘big 2’ embossed and it's searchable under the R2 category of play.com (over looking the fact that they don’t actually have R0 category :rolleyes: ) - still doesn’t deter from the fact it’s not region coded. Misreported information and hard facts – learn to tell the difference between them :doze:

Ali

Asoka dvd r2 version by first look is actually region zero, i'll confirm that after ali!

S.K.nath, to make note...disc shows big 2..i agree.
The back of the jacket cover says..region zero(big zero) you look for pls.?

Apex 1500, can play both pal and ntsc stuff native, without hacking..as it has a built in convertor!

Apex 1500 is multiregion/region free player , so will play any region disc, zero/2..NO HACKING REQUIRED.

Finally, because of Apex conversion capability picture from asoka r2 disc will be viewed beautifully on any NTSC tv!!

Asoka r2 disc, has one of the best picture and sound...super transfer for indian dvd standards.

Region 1 asoka by first look ..is a piece of crap/shit comparative to its r2 counterpart and needs/is worth of to be pissed on IMHO..PERIOD.
CHEERS..NATH :vsneaky:



Edited By arsh on July 02 2002 at 13:04

Arsh / ali , agreed that this dvd is Region 0, (have seen the big 0 at the back of the DVD), then pray answer this question :-

When i try to put this DVD on my friend"s Sony DVD player (Model No. DVP-S550D), it wont play and it gives a message :-

"playing this disc is prohibited by area limits" (so what do u conclude..? area is not = REGION ? or am I missing something here ?)

Arsh also reported the same with his Pioneer DVD player.

Further questions :-
What is the difference between a PAL or NTSC DVD ?
DVD has 24 or 25 frames recorded per sec. Isn't it the DVD player that outputs the video info as NTSC or PAL.

When APEX DVD player and NTSC TV is used, without any hacking into the system, is the video stream direct DVD to NTSC or is it DVD to PAL to NTSC?

Assuming this DVP-S550D is region 1 - it will only play region 1 DVDs and nothing else – including region free DVDs which are in fact encoded as region 0. The region system works on a primitive checking system; a check is made to see if the DVD region code on the movie disc matches that of the DVD player – if they match, the disc plays OK.

[RCE – region code enhancement – is an extension of this checking system whereby the check is done more than once. Multiregion DVD players will return what ever matches the DVD movie disc, so if the check is done more than once, it will return different matching codes, the RCE logic detects it’s a multiregion players and will refuse to play the movie disc – so people who introduced the RCE system thought!]

As for PAL/NTSC issue. Either an automatic conversion is happening ie PAL to NTSC or TV displays both signals without problems.

Ali

Ok, dudes! thnx for fine answer, in case of apex or my xbox, within player PAL-NTSC conversion happens so ur nTSC tv will display film too!!

As far region free player if hacked are not converting NTSC to PAL,, Unless u have both pal/NTSC universal player, likemost of HINGKONG/SINGAPORE stuff or EUROPEAN models too!

In that case of Universal player, does do, PAL-NTSC conversion or otherwise!!

The asoka r1 picture from my x box was spectacular, even x box is not prog scan, But my Tv is nTSC only but does 3:2 pull down, line doubling.

Now Finally, Pioneer players are region free some models and are very easy to hack!

So my pioneer player does accept asoka dvd and plays but does not convert to NTSC so picture even color just jumps up and down, as my tv is not either pal/ntsc dual system either.
Almost all southeastern asian tv models even sony is dual system compatable!

I hope that explains, why Mr Nath can not see picture via Sony player on his NTSC TV, and can see same asoka on same tv, when played on apex 1500!!

Mind u for $69-$79, apex 1500 is a jewel, hard to beat..Khazana!

Region free/Dual system native ready, Macrovision defeated, plays JPEG picture cds, kodak film system, or made in ur comuter.

Downside..Only s- video connection and No prog scan.
But who cares for just one or two films or making VHS copies of Hindi dvds, with no need to hack any thing.

Cheers!! mas:

This is not true. Any Region 1 player will play DVDs coded for both Region 1 and Region 0. I own numerous Region 0 DVDs and they play in all my region 1 players just fine.

A question regarding ASOKA: I was going to purchase the UK version from Metrodome but it is listed as 150 minutes on bensonsworld.co.uk. Isn't this the running time for the cut version?? I want the full 3 hour version!

Jeff

Jeff buy it from Play.com its cheaper there and the time listed there is 169 minutes ( at least on the cover of the DVD)

You’re absolutely right – what I’ve written is crap I know many people with Region 2 players that play region 0 discs fine, so should be the same for Region 1 players. I claim momentary insanity :p :where:

The only other thing I’ve come across that might explain why the Asoka R0 disc refuses to play on that player is because that player will only playback NTSC discs not PAL. Check this simple region explaining page;

http://www.unik.no/~robert/hifi/dvd/world.html

quote: "A disc can also be coded for region 0 or all which means that it can be played on all DVD players(that supports the same video format)."

Ali

Are you guys saying that the Metrodome edition of the Asoka DVD is actually a region 0 product, and hence it would work in the North American(R1) DVD Players?

Yes collector sir! but ur player should be universal, pal/ntsc compatable, like apex1500 and xbox under discussion here, supposedly these two end up doing pal-ntsc conversion within, making it displayable on ntsc only tv/display.
alternate cold be region one pal/ntsc player or region free/pal/ntsc players, eg from singapore hongkong stuff, playing it in its native pal format, and ntsc disc in its native form without conversion, back and forth..will require a multisystem display, not ntsc only tv!!

multiregion displays, include front projectors and europeon/asian tv models!

Well! Ali, at this point I would like u to give us a brief/comprehensive, sum up, conclusionof this thread..so we dont have to start from the begining again.
I understand it is kinda confusing technically! i think, mostly here we have to satisfy r1/north american ntsc system customers from Us and CANADA!!? Pls. :vsneaky: