Well said Minesh. I have the same opinion and I believe lot of my friends share the same opinion



Edited By ganti on June 11 2002 at 08:36

Has someone forgotten Sunny Baba as... Major Chandpuri in that film which all m/f's from da other side of the BORDER love to hate ( and dont tell me he didnt wear a turban there ...as "someguy" has pointed out that the character in GADAR didnt wear a turban..which begs the question ...when Sunny makes Amisha his wife in the Railway station he says just a few words " Lo Ji yeh ban gayi ab Sikhni !" )

Comic or absurd characterization in Indian films (or in Hollywood films) is not limited to one type only. There are no exceptions. Politicians, Priests, Old folks, Young folks, All Religions, Scientists, Male, Female, Humans, Animals, Workers, Bosses, All Race Creed and Color, ----, you name it, all have been subject of comedy. There is a difference between comic and insulting situation. Characterization should not be insulting. What can be more laughable than hero-heroine singing and dancing around the trees or in busy places in a country with such a high population density? It is comic but not insulting to Indian youth. How many can even dance in a disco, let alone sing as well as dance in a public place.

IMHO: Cutting hair doesn’t make a Sikh a non-Sikh.

Rana

If you've seen Indian movies, you know MK was a departure from the normal fare. The character "Gurdeep" in MK gets scared in the beginning, but also saves "Khan" in his office from a terrorist attack. What do you call that? :tounge:

Sorry had to clear that out since the movie intended no bias, surely.

Raj

Ranj you silly inbred fuc$. When Ahmad Shah Abdali was carting your momma and co form India it was the Sikhs who liberated them and returned them to their homes. The likes of you were pissing their pants in Deccan.

It is sad when di£kheads like you have to make irresponsible statements to attract attention.



Edited By Bigman on June 11 2002 at 14:47

Rana beg to differ with you. Cutting one's hair when ones religion makes it mandatory to keep hair uncut is indeed considered sacrilegeous. There are notable exceptions (the one being Bhagat Singh ..he had to cut his hair to escape from Lahore when the police were after him).

However that didnt in anyway make him a non-sikh ! He is still referred to as Sardar Bhagat Singh ( the way Guru Gobind Singhji wished every sikh to be addressed ).
Now zap back to the present day scenario. Sikhs here have made it a fashion to cut their hair (so as to escape discrimination etc.) but that is no GENUINE excuse (not a life and death matter) for cutting one's hair. (By the same token I dont claim to be true towards my religion also). I suppose maybe this reason (along with many other events have depicted typical Sikh stereotypes in Hindi films)...No one here (in da west) is a true sikh (in the strict sense)... Cut Hair, Clean Shaven (hah ! what a joke), no kangra etc... what else is needed to justify the claim that the person is not a SIKH

Here I must point out something though... I must admire the perseverance of ISLAM here (except for the JIHADIS and their supporters....the SIKHS also have their bad elements the so called KHALISTANIS)... they indeed make it a point to follow their faith. I only wish I could have done that with my religion and also hoped more TRUE sikhs had done that.

Stereortypes are there in every society and as you said Hollywood and Bollywood also... We should pay heed to one statement which the great Bard of Avon made in the play Julius Caesar :-

Mark Antony Act 3, Scene 3, " The good that men do are often interred with their bones, the evil stays alive after them"

Sknath...
just to challenge that. Bhagat Singh was an atheist

I know very many cut-surds. IMO, religion is about your doctrine and devotion to God. There are many different interpretations of Sikhism....

Rishi, I would like to know for sure that he was an atheist. But the question here is not that of he being an atheist or not. The question here is whether he was a SIKH or not. Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave the surname of Singh to justify their valour and their rank disregard for their personal life when it came to their beliefs. For that he eneunciated 5 basic tenents that would classify them as Sikhs.

Now the so called CUT-SURDS... in my opinion they are just CUT and not Surds ... Just like me... I have given up my religious beliefs after I came here and I dont like to flaunt my religion here. However the "CUT-SURDS" display their "SIKH" beliefs in a brazen manner which is really not what their religion warrants them to.

I think maybe these CUT's have been the reason for the so called negative interpretation of SIKHs in Hindi movies of late. BUt let me assure you, CUT's are no way representative of the true tenets of SIKHISM... in a similar vein, I dont consider Christians, christians at all as they have corrupted their faith and they also refuse to accept the authenticity of the Dead Sea scrolls (which is supposedly the true interpretation of Christianity)... So I dont think I can prescribe to any other version of SIKHISM other than the one prescribed by the GRANTH SAHIB @ Amritsar.. Plain and simply speaking the so called CUTs do not fall under the category of SIKHs if they cant keep up with the basic tenets of their faith
Cheerz

SKNATH AS GUY RITCHIE SAYS - U R A FUNNY B**TARD!!

GOOD ONE D: D: D:

HOW MAY SIKH GUYS FLY AROUND WITH NO PAGHRIS NOWADAYS - GURDASS MANN/MALKIT SINGH////ETCCC - SUCH FANNIES THEY ARE!!!

ALSO BIGMAN [WITH A WEE WILLY] D: D: AND SANJAY SINGH - PLS PUT YOUR KARPAN AWAY OR I WILL SHOVE IT UP YOUR BOONDS!!!

D: D: D:

RANJ IS NOT A MUSLIM SO BAD LUCK!!!

JAI HIND!!!!!

Ranj the troublemaker stated:

HOW MAY SIKH GUYS FLY AROUND WITH NO PAGHRIS NOWADAYS - GURDASS MANN/MALKIT SINGH////ETCCC - SUCH FANNIES THEY ARE!!!

Those that are mentioned above are Punjabis, not Sikhs. Being from Punjab doesn't make one a Sikh. A Sikh is someone who keeps his/her hair and doesn't cut. This is an identity of a Sikh. Having your hair cut doesn't make you a Sikh. So the guy in Gadar had his hair cut, so he's not a Sikh, wearing a turban and having your hair cut underneath doesn't make you a Sikh. As I stated, in Gadar, the main character's sidekick does have his hair but he is shown as an idiot so this negative characterization of Sikhs in hindi films runs unfortunately rampant. If one were to take a look at a Punjabi film, Hindus are not portrayed negatively, nor anyone else.

Also, Bhagat Singh did have his hair cut, he was an atheist, but once he was in jail he became religious and kept his hair and became a Sikh.



Edited By someguy on June 11 2002 at 20:15

I think you're losing a lot of us man. As far as I've been following hindi films and regional Indian films, Sikhs(Sardars) have been portrayed as courageous people thoughout film history. Actually it happens to be their identity. I told you about MK. I normally don't try to correct someone but it makes no sense unless you can give solid examples.

And the guy in Gadar, his characterization wasn't really negative. :rolleyes:

funny guy

Raj

First point... Bhagat Singh was quite so an atheist. He wrote a paper called "Why I am an atheist", so I think that would prove that...

Sikhism has many beliefs in it, but if people wish to update it to match the times, are they abandoning their faith in God? If they follow the doctrines of Sikhism and believe it, is that not enough? They still wear Kadas, correct?

I thnk it's fair to say that cut-surds truly belong to their own branch of Sikhism, that isn't the original vision of Sikhism, but, once again, their interpretation. Not an entirely different religion, but a branch of it.

Drawing a parallel to Christianity, just because a Protestant doesn't follow Catholicism doesn't mean he's not Christian...

I knew that BS was a commie, but didnt know that he was an atheist...if u say so i will take ur word for that...

Now adapting your religion to suit modern times is indeed good as long as one doesnt lose track of the fundamentals...

A Muslim never forgets his cap, and also a beard
A jew also very much the same

Like I said, they are very much free to practice anything; they may stop going to the Gurdwaras but if they get rid of their basic tenets they they lose their identity of a distinct religious group....

Wearing a Kadah :- Well I like Judaism and I want to become a jew except that if i convert my religion I also have to follow their other practise and that is circumscion (which at my age is not suitable)...hence I will just remain a pseudo-jew...

No one here ever said anything abt their persona ( which will rebut ir claims that anyone of protestant vs catholics)... Its the basic aspect of religion which one is talking abt... and I feel, to look trendy and smart you dont have to lose your religious beliefs...or religious symbols....

why're we discussing religion on a dvd website? personally, i've stopped caring about religions because i JUST found out about how much problem it causes around the world. i should've known a while ago...but that's ok. And speaking of Sikhs...they've got the hottest girls ever!

Religion doesn't cause the major problems around the world, it's people that misuse the title of religion. Religion is about a lot more, and doesn't cause the problems. Every time you see a Jihadi, do you really think he's fighting because his religion tells him to do so, or for other reasons?