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sknath
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 4:25 am 
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...and it <s>supposedly is Progressive</s> is interlaced.... Will let you know abt the details later this weekend...when I can post the screencaps



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sknath
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Here are the screenshots... Observations previously made are changed and I stand corrected :-

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& a full sized image showing the combing artifacts

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shuman
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i wonder how is the print of the SAMRAT release...
this print shows washed out colour... and no subtitle.. :(
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Zoran009
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terrible show on this lovely film....samrat or evp, utter crap!!! :angry:
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sknath
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Monizam can u post some screenshots ?...Or anyone else
who may have the Official SAMRAT version of the film ?

I think Samrat and Media Dimensions are/were owned by the same individual.
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rana
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EVP's Patthar Ke Sanam is PROGRESSIVE, but it is problematic for many/ most frame weavers in more than half the chapters. Unfortunately, the screen caps above are from the problematic chapters. Colors, sharpness and detail is good as well. Equals EVP's Dharamveer.

Rest Later.

Rana
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shuman
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arsh wrote:
terrible show on this lovely film....samrat or evp, utter crap!!! :angry:

arsh miyan, have you seen any of the version of this movie? evp print looks poor.. but you never know.. may be the screenshots are faulty.

anyone have samrat release.. kindly post a couple of screengrabs, or make some comments please.
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Zoran009
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Hmm!! i have not seen PATHHAR KE SANAM(EVP)...

Is it like DHARAM VEER??? seeing these screen shots? No way, I have DHARAM VEER..it is MILES AHEAD of this!!

Either, this one is not real EVP version, rana has! or???

I dont know, I have a GREAT RESPECT for RANA JI's opinion, indeed, and will hate to differ!!

Rana ji..is there any way, u can kindly grant us some screen caps from your disc, from prob free areas, where pq looks like dharam veer!!

Dharam veer is even better than AMAR PREM(interlaced). :baaa: :oo:
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shuman
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yeah rana.. if you have powerdvd, or any other dvd software.. do post some screenshots.. and may be one in actual size.. that would be great.. :sus: :cool:
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rana
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My comments are for the same disc that the screen caps above, are from. I rented the same disc.

I wonder, what did you not like about the pic??

Is it the combing or Waheeda’s double image?? You don’t see this when watching this DVD with proper settings.

Or is it that what Shuman described as Faded Colors?? I found the colors to my liking and have nothing against them. Moreover, colors can be adjusted. For example, Vivid color setting. As far as sharpness and detail is concerned, it is like DEI’s better prints.

Regarding the problematic progressive, the DVD is encoded progressively, i.e. it has 24 steps per sec.. Six extra steps to make it NTSC’s 30, are not recorded but the player is instructed to repeat them, as done in progressive encoding. The problem is that perhaps the flags have been set incorrectly, such that, in force weave video from wrong (off by 1) fields is combined for more than half of the movie. My speculation is that it is caused by improper Editing splices. This kind of flag error may not be detected and corrected by the present day Power DVD software, any slightly more advanced DVD playing software can easily take care of that. Pixel to Pixel comparing frame weavers will also succeed easily.


If you were following the Faroudja thread, I will place EVP Patthar Ke Sanam between category ‘C’ and ‘D’ for a 32 inch interlaced TV and between category ‘B’ and ‘C’ for a 18 inch PC monitor assuming correct video fields are weaved.

http://www.zulm.net/cgi-bin....8;st=80

COMPARATIVE RATINGS FOR 32 INCH TV(INTERLACED):



Category A

MISSION KASHMIR Columbia (P)
LAGAAN Columbia (P)
KAHO NA PYAR HAI DEI (P)
AN EVENING IN PARIS DEI (P)
SAATHI DEI (P)
DEEWAR DEI (P)


Category B

SANGAM (Shemaroo) Shemaroo (I-5; all 30 individual video frames; Interlaced)
DEEWANA MASTAANA VS (I-3; 5th frame repeated; pseudo-progressive)


Category C

KATI PATANG EVP (P)
ABHIMAAN EVP (P)


Category D

AMAR PREM EVP (P)


Category E

DHARAMVEER EVP (P)
SAAWAN KI GHATA EVP (P)
KASHMIR KI KALI EVP (I-4; 6th frame repeated indicates 4% speed shift and 25 to 30 conversion; pseudo-progressive)


Category F

JUDWAA (single layer) VS (P)


Category G

MERA GAAON MERA DESH EVP (P)


Category H

JOSH EROS (P)
DHADKAN EROS (P)


Category J

YES BOSS VS (I-3; 5th frame repeated; pseudo-progressive)


Category K

AJNABEE (Amitabh) EVP (I-4; 6th frame repeated indicates 4% speed shift and 25 to 30 conversion; pseudo-progressive)
PREM KAHANI EVP (I-4; 6th frame repeated indicates 4% speed shift and 25 to 30 conversion; pseudo-progressive)


Category L

HASEENA MAAN JAAYEGI EROS (I-3; 5th frame repeated; pseudo-progressive)


Category M

PYAR HI PYAR EVP (I-3; 5th frame repeated; pseudo-progressive)


Category N

SANGAM (YRF) YRF (I-??)




COMPARATIVE RATINGS FOR 18 INCH PC MONITOR(PROGRESSIVE SYSTEM):


Category A

MISSION KASHMIR Columbia (P)
LAGAAN Columbia (P)
KAHO NA PYAR HAI DEI (P)
AN EVENING IN PARIS DEI (P)
SAATHI DEI (P)
DEEWAR DEI (P)


Category B

JOSH EROS (P)
ABHIMAAN EVP (P)
DHARAMVEER EVP (P)
SAAWAN KI GHATA EVP (P)





Category C

KATI PATANG EVP (P)
AMAR PREM EVP (P)
JUDWAA (single layer) VS (P)

Category D

DHADKAN (P)
MERA GAAON MERA DESH (P)

Category E

KASHMIR KI KALI EVP (I-4; 6th frame repeated indicates 4% speed shift and 25 to 30 conversion; pseudo-progressive)
PREM KAHANI EVP (I-4; 6th frame repeated indicates 4% speed shift and 25 to 30 conversion; pseudo-progressive)
DEEWANA MASTAANA VS (I-3; 5th frame repeated; pseudo-progressive)


Category F

YES BOSS VS (I-3; 5th frame repeated; pseudo-progressive)


Category G

HASEENA MAAN JAAYEGI EROS (I-3; 5th frame repeated; pseudo-progressive)
PYAR HI PYAR EVP (I-3; 5th frame repeated; pseudo-progressive)
AJNABEE (Amitabh) EVP (I-4; 6th frame repeated indicates 4% speed shift and 25 to 30 conversion; pseudo-progressive)


Category H

SANGAM (Shemaroo) Shemaroo (I-5; all 30 individual video frames; Interlaced)



Rana

P.S.
1) EVP's Patthar Ke Sanam DVD is not easily available.
2) My copy of EVP’s Amar Prem (No Subtitles) is progressive. EVP’s subtitled version of Amar Prem is interlaced.
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Zoran009
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np, rana ji, i have to rent to see on my system and will get back to u..i think, your observations, should be correct...

but these screen shots, did not quite looked good to me, comparing to review dharam veer..etc
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rana
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Arsh, any luck with renting EVP's PKS??
I'm waiting to hear your verdict.

Rana
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ali
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Patthar Ke Sanam (Samrat DVD) screen shots, thanks to Arsh;

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Zoran009
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really bad, technicolors, kinda!
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rana
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EVP PKS if available is a better bet. Half the DVD is progressive with correct flags. The other half is progressive with shifted flags. Auto select may not work here. For the incorrect flagged segments, change to Force bob and enjoy.

EVP Pathar Ke Sanam shots in Force bob will show up much better than Samrat DVD. For interlaced viewing too, EVP PKS is better.

Rana



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