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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:01 pm 
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quick question -- if you have a conventional 4x3 TV which does not have a 16x9 or squeeze mode, would you still want to buy an anamorphic widescreen dvd or would you want to buy a non-anamorphic widescreen dvd of the same movie?


Anamorphic every time. TVs ability to have 16x9 or squeeze mode is irrelevant as the DVD player will take care of outputting the video is the right format.

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not exactly ;-)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:07 pm 
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Give me exact details then :lol: ...personally to me, if a non-anamorphic and anamorphic DVD was available, I would have to seriously retarded to pick the non-anamorphic version over the anamorphic version.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:09 pm 
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If you have a 4x3 TV without an anamorphic mode or squeeze mode, you will have to set the dvd player to play at 4x3 mode. A player set to 4x3 mode will play an anamorphic dvd by deleting a line after every few lines from the anamorphic transfer uniformly from top to bottom -- doing so means that to fit the anamorphic source to a 4x3 display, the dvd player is eating lines (and therefore picture information) even from the "movie area".

However, if you have a 4x3 TV and a non-anamorphic widescreen DVD, the one plus of such a combo is that none of the information is deleted from within the movie area, if you know what I mean.

So on a 4x3-only TV, playing a non-anamorphic widescreen dvd gives you full information in the movie area (between the black bars) ---while--- playing an anamorphic dvd would give you lesser information in the movie area.

The above applies only to 4x3 TVs without squeeze or widescreen mode -- and true only for players set to play even anamorphic dvds at 4x3 mode.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:26 pm 
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NewDeep wrote:
The above applies only to 4x3 TVs without squeeze or widescreen mode -- and true only for players set to play even anamorphic dvds at 4x3 mode.


:shock: Without going into too much technical details of the scaling abilities of DVD players. Are you saying this Jodhaa Akbar DVD is aimed to please that select group of people? :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:28 pm 
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ali wrote:
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The above applies only to 4x3 TVs without squeeze or widescreen mode -- and true only for players set to play even anamorphic dvds at 4x3 mode.


:shock: Without going into too much technical details of the scaling abilities of DVD players. Are you saying this Jodhaa Akbar DVD is aimed to please that select group of people? :lol:

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i am not saying that... what i am saying is that non-anamorphic dvds (with proper theatrical widescreen AR) may actually be the better option (compared to anamorphic widescreen DVDs) for people who own 4x3 TVs without 16x9 mode or squeeze mode. ;-)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:30 pm 
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I have this fucked-up 3 disc UTV DVD and it is definitly interlaced non-anamorphic widescreen. It's not even a good non-anamorphic widescreen - this DVD can barely be watched when zoomed in, it gets so jagged and pixilated.

1. Is there any way of complaining or getting replacements from the UTV company?

2. Is there going to be a different version available from the UK? What the f*** DVD version were those indiafm.com assholes reviewing? Did they actually have an anamorphic version or they don't know shit about what that term even means when they add that into their review?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:35 pm 
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write to feedback.he@utvnet.com and prem@utvnet.com


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:04 pm 
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ali wrote:
NewDeep wrote:
quick question -- if you have a conventional 4x3 TV which does not have a 16x9 or squeeze mode, would you still want to buy an anamorphic widescreen dvd or would you want to buy a non-anamorphic widescreen dvd of the same movie?


Anamorphic every time. TVs ability to have 16x9 or squeeze mode is irrelevant as the DVD player will take care of outputting the video is the right format.

Ali



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If you have a 4x3 TV without an anamorphic mode or squeeze mode, you will have to set the dvd player to play at 4x3 mode. A player set to 4x3 mode will play an anamorphic dvd by deleting a line after every few lines from the anamorphic transfer uniformly from top to bottom -- doing so means that to fit the anamorphic source to a 4x3 display, the dvd player is eating lines (and therefore picture information) even from the "movie area".

However, if you have a 4x3 TV and a non-anamorphic widescreen DVD, the one plus of such a combo is that none of the information is deleted from within the movie area, if you know what I mean.

So on a 4x3-only TV, playing a non-anamorphic widescreen dvd gives you full information in the movie area (between the black bars) ---while--- playing an anamorphic dvd would give you lesser information in the movie area.

The above applies only to 4x3 TVs without squeeze or widescreen mode -- and true only for players set to play even anamorphic dvds at 4x3 mode.

Anamorphic picture on 4:3 screen:

As I recall from some Yrs back when anamorphic mode was introduced for LDs/ DVDs (not sure if LDs gave first anam source or DVDs did ?? Anyway it was in when the DVDs came out and LDs started fading), sure there is minute disadvantage in PQ playing anamorphic source on 4:3 screen. It's not that dramatic as 33% degrade in PQ. I don't think every 4th line is deleted. Most likely it's a matrix conversion from 640 x 320 to 640 x 480 or similar/ vice-versa . Just like 640 x 480 signal displaying on 1280 x 1024 (assume it's a 1280 x 1024 native res screen) screen in screen native res of 1280 x 1024 or 800 x 600 or 1920 x 1080 or other. You hardly can see a diff in PQ. Secondly, 4:3 screens are mostly low res, you don't see any difference.

Technically, non-anam source is better for 4:3 TV but you don't see the difference, where as, you do see a difference in PQ on a 16:9 screen getting a anam signal.

So, I sure would pick a Anam DVD over non-anam DVD.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:44 pm 
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ali wrote:
Give me exact details then :lol: ...personally to me, if a non-anamorphic and anamorphic DVD was available, I would have to seriously retarded to pick the non-anamorphic version over the anamorphic version.

Ali


I agree! Why would on the hell on earth will do so :shock:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:46 pm 
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ali wrote:
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The above applies only to 4x3 TVs without squeeze or widescreen mode -- and true only for players set to play even anamorphic dvds at 4x3 mode.


:shock: Without going into too much technical details of the scaling abilities of DVD players. Are you saying this Jodhaa Akbar DVD is aimed to please that select group of people? :lol:

Ali


I thought catering to those rightful owners of standard tvs was over, long time ago


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ali wrote:
Give me exact details then :lol: ...personally to me, if a non-anamorphic and anamorphic DVD was available, I would have to seriously retarded to pick the non-anamorphic version over the anamorphic version.

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I agree! Why would on the hell on earth will do so :shock:


see rana's and my responses above...


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:14 am 
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Why are people talking about the advantages of a square non-hdtv? What year is this? This is not year 2000. There is no advantage or a benefit of a non-anamorphic version of this movie, period.

The only thing that UTV proved is, once again, how Indian quality control is best in the world. Quality always comes first! ;)


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faddy wrote:
maybe im being thick but i seriously dont see the point of these reconverted jobs.. you really cant improve that much if the source is shite.. especially if your converting 4:3 to anamorphic..


i've got a 60-inch plasma and would much rather prefer to have an anamorphic movie, and especially of something of this grandeur of a movie...

some of us work on shiiiit sources...that's what we have to work with....NOT the negatives. we do what we want to get our own perceived desired results...if you see no point, ignore it and move on...and be happy with your 4:3 jodhaa akbar discs...i'm happy now that i have my own DVD9s that i converted into 16:9 with something that looks better to MY own eyes...i do this work for MY eyes, not yours...so you go carry on your releasing work and stick to that. leave us encoders to something WE enjoy as a hobby...and perhaps there are a few people out there who appreciate the fact, that SOMETIMES we do something that is much better than what was given to us on a DVD9 platter by the likes of zEROS, uTv, YashRaj, Shemaroo.... ELITE is the BEST, absolute best from what I've seen overall...but if bollywood continues to give shiiiiiit work, i'll continue to improve on them as I personally see fit. does this make you happy? don't bother replying...because frankly my dear, i don't give a damn.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:19 am 
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faddy wrote:
maybe im being thick but i seriously dont see the point of these reconverted jobs.. you really cant improve that much if the source is shite.. especially if your converting 4:3 to anamorphic..

Not much to be gained here for sure. To really improve such sources beyond cosmetics one would need world class hardware and software (e.g. Lowry/DTS...). But far better is to wait for a decent HD release.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:46 am 
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speaking of decent HD transfers,when is dim chahta hai bluray coming out mhafner? I don't understand what went wrong here with UTV as they are usually pretty good with their transfers. :shock:


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