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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:43 pm 
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1080p screen shots were also JPEG compressed, depending on what settings were used then certain amount of detail would have been lost through that too. The WMV screen shot is a PNG. Also the 1080p screen shots are not directly from the Blu-ray - they are mostly likely from an re-encode too, and depending on what filters and downsizing was done then detail would be lost in that too.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:00 pm 
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Hmm, that's very strange. The grain is intact on this encode. Perhaps the 1080p screenshots were tampered with and the original BD is in fact fine?


Lets all blame faddy! as he is the one who posted those :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:25 pm 
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Full unaltered screen shots;

http://www.bwtorrents.com/showthread.php?t=146592

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:53 pm 
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ali wrote:


The original has blown out whites like this? (My friggin' copy is still not here :-( )


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What makes it shocking is that this was done by a US team....

Oh Dear...

What pre-processes were they using when encoding from thier DPX files?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:12 pm 
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There's no way those screenshots can be unaltered - even Eros wouldn't screw it up that badly. I have the BD on order from Eros, who inform me they've now dispatched it so I should have confirmation soon on what this thing really looks like.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:28 pm 
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I was viewing those on my TV which had over saturated colours in VGA mode, I thought it was just the screen. They have been taken with PowerDVD maybe with the vivid profile, which will distort the colours.

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Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
What pre-processes were they using when encoding from thier DPX files?

Any confirmation they used the DI and not some some film source? If there are reel change marks it's hardly the DI.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:04 am 
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Stephen wrote:
There's no way those screenshots can be unaltered - even Eros wouldn't screw it up that badly. I have the BD on order from Eros, who inform me they've now dispatched it so I should have confirmation soon on what this thing really looks like.


Well, I got the BD today and I'm gonna have to eat my words. :(

As it turns out, the screenshots posted are indeed exactly what the image looks like. DNRed to the point of smearing and with whites blown out during some scenes. I also detected shimmering too, which would prove Michel's theory correct about this not being from the DI.

The video does look decent from afar and still better than your average Hindi DVD, but obviously this is a long way away from HD reference quality.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:00 am 
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Stephen wrote:
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There's no way those screenshots can be unaltered - even Eros wouldn't screw it up that badly. I have the BD on order from Eros, who inform me they've now dispatched it so I should have confirmation soon on what this thing really looks like.


Well, I got the BD today and I'm gonna have to eat my words. :(

As it turns out, the screenshots posted are indeed exactly what the image looks like. DNRed to the point of smearing and with whites blown out during some scenes. I also detected shimmering too, which would prove Michel's theory correct about this not being from the DI.

The video does look decent from afar and still better than your average Hindi DVD, but obviously this is a long way away from HD reference quality.


imho, remasterd, ripped 1080/720 indeed look better than orig.

Congrats! Welcome to the BLU SIDE! 8) Keep an eye on saawariya from sony!


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Stephen wrote:
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Well, I got the BD today and I'm gonna have to eat my words. :(
As it turns out, the screenshots posted are indeed exactly what the image looks like. DNRed to the point of smearing and with whites blown out during some scenes. I also detected shimmering too, which would prove Michel's theory correct about this not being from the DI.

Shimmering/aliasing is not conclusive to source. There are several Hollywood HD disks from the DI with aliasing problems. Due to bad downsampling to 1080p. If there are reel change marks it's not DI though.
Thanks for the warning. I have cancelled my order (which was stalled anyway since Eros can not deliver. It's absurd how poor their marketing is. Even if I wanted to (as I did) I could not order this in a reasonable way since their site blocks non US enquiries and other dealers don't have it, ask too much or can't deliver. :lol: ).
Next stop: Sawaryia and OSO (if the quality is good).


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:39 pm 
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Shimmering/aliasing is not conclusive to source. There are several Hollywood HD disks from the DI with aliasing problems.


Sorry, yes, you're correct. There's no aliasing that I could see. I made a wrong choice of words.

I meant shimmering as in a shaky image. As though it were taken from a film source rather than digital video.


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mhafner wrote:
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Stephen wrote:
Well, I got the BD today and I'm gonna have to eat my words. :(
As it turns out, the screenshots posted are indeed exactly what the image looks like. DNRed to the point of smearing and with whites blown out during some scenes. I also detected shimmering too, which would prove Michel's theory correct about this not being from the DI.

Shimmering/aliasing is not conclusive to source. There are several Hollywood HD disks from the DI with aliasing problems. Due to bad downsampling to 1080p. If there are reel change marks it's not DI though.
Thanks for the warning. I have cancelled my order (which was stalled anyway since Eros can not deliver. It's absurd how poor their marketing is. Even if I wanted to (as I did) I could not order this in a reasonable way since their site blocks non US enquiries and other dealers don't have it, ask too much or can't deliver. :lol: ).
Next stop: Sawaryia and OSO (if the quality is good).


in case u need for technical reason, check, iw or amazon by private seller( guaranteed by amazon)


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Zoran009 wrote:
mhafner wrote:
Stephen wrote:
Stephen wrote:
in case u need for technical reason, check, iw or amazon by private seller( guaranteed by amazon)

I used amazon UK but their seller could not deliver (it's now also on the site as ouf of stock).


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:32 pm 
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Stephen wrote:
mhafner wrote:
I meant shimmering as in a shaky image. As though it were taken from a film source rather than digital video.

DIs should not have shaky images (from scanning, not shooting), but it's not impossible since you can make DIs with normal telecines that are not immune to gate weave. I don't remember a HD from Hollywood DI with gate weave, but several HDs with normal telecines that had some.
Concerning the blown out whites, maybe it was like that on the DI so nothing could be done. Or maybe it was just a screw up. Or maybe someone has got special tastes. :lol:


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