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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:11 pm 
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All right, come on, now: it's not that bad. The thing is, you can't watch Aag "apart" from Sholay, and, as soon as you make the comparison, Aag falls flat. Still, I guess I just don't despise the film the way many seem to be despising it; it's sub-mediocre, but it's hardly unwatchable.
Both adlabs and RGV have as good as disowned the movie -- there's simply no point of the movie in the shape it came out!

And how can we expect viewers to watch it without ref to Sholay when the director actually made it in ref to Sholay? He was pretty clear about his intentions when he announced RGV KI SHOLAY -- wasn't he?


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I downloaded the pirate and watched it :baaa: :roll:

Have to agree with dr_alinaeem, it's not as bad as I expected it to be. Maybe the expectations had been lowered to a all time low that was the saving grace for me :nopity: Yes it is a bad movie, even worse when you start comparing it with Sholay - and they are no if and buts about comparing the movies. RGV in his own words has said that he wants the comparisons to be made. RGV’s whole promotional around Aag has been to compare it to Sholay, without that there is no Aag. I think he realised that from the outset and instead of hiding from that fact has gone out declaring to the press and public to make the comparison. And I for one I’m so pleased that he did. I’m so thankful he pasted his name all over the movie. I’m glad he proudly declares it’s produced and directed by RGV. It is RGV Ki Aag in every sense, because all that’s bad in this movie will (and rightly should) reflect on him as film marker.

This movie is badly cast & directed. They are touches of nice camera work here and there but over all seems like some drugged up camera man on the loose point the camera up and down depending on what time of day it is. I didn’t find AB at all bad, over acted? Yeh of course he did. Menacing? No way, again a bad casting choice for the role – he doesn’t fit the profile of gangster leader (especially one that is limping and shows no strength of power). As for the rest of the cast less said the better. One thing I would say is what the hell was with Nasha Kothari? RGV seems to have stuck her face in every other scene of the movie; Ajay isn't on the screen without her presence pretty much throughout the movie, the inspector tell his story (and what a pathetic story it was, did anyone else feel 'serves you right, you fat gimp for killing his brother!') and there she is trying to shed tears, Ahmed (or whatever!) dies and she pops out again trying to shed tears and take the blame - I mean WTF does she have bad home life or something, just send her home.

Having said all that the movie is still watchable (although laughable at the same time) unlike some other movies that are just unbearable to view and badly put together.

And again I’m thankful it’s getting universally being panned across the world;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6981053.stm

Even die hard RGV are having problems finding anything good to say about this movie.

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 Post subject: Re: AAG
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:09 pm 
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RGV is utter spineless wimp, how many times has his done this; as soon as the movie flops its all a mistake. What a gimp, he always was a shit film maker and always will be. I don’t even credit likes of Satya, Rangeela, Kaun, Company & Sarkar to him – the guys a disgraced leecher. I find it unbelievable that this guy has had any creative input to any of these movies and I don’t even rate Company or Sarkar that highly in the first place. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: AAG
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Commando303 wrote:
All right, come on, now: it's not that bad. The thing is, you can't watch Aag "apart" from Sholay, and, as soon as you make the comparison, Aag falls flat. Still, I guess I just don't despise the film the way many seem to be despising it; it's sub-mediocre, but it's hardly unwatchable.


It's really a matter of personal opinion - I couldn't get to the end of the film. And I can generally watch some really shit films.


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bhaskar wrote:
Commando303 wrote:
All right, come on, now: it's not that bad. The thing is, you can't watch Aag "apart" from Sholay, and, as soon as you make the comparison, Aag falls flat. Still, I guess I just don't despise the film the way many seem to be despising it; it's sub-mediocre, but it's hardly unwatchable.


It's really a matter of personal opinion - I couldn't get to the end of the film. And I can generally watch some really shit films.



I second your persistence!! :lol: kidding!


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 Post subject: Re: AAG
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:40 am 
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What a gimp, he always was a shit film maker and always will be.
Ali


Cough - :o :shock: are you kidding ? He is not a total gimp. His good works are : Ek Hasina Thi, Dil Se, and passable films Darna Mana Hai (re: Darna Mana Hai -Commando303, don't get upset now hold your horses dude, keep calm) (lol), Road, Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya, Rangeela. lately his films haven’t been pulling the trigger, he is capable.


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Anyway I see that a few people form an opinion of a film much before the film releases and then bombard the board with posts/articles which profess their viewpoint while totally ignoring everything else creating a self fulfulling prohecy for themselves


APPLAUSE WELL SAID!


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 Post subject: Re: AAG
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NewDeep wrote:
Commando303 wrote:
All right, come on, now: it's not that bad. The thing is, you can't watch Aag "apart" from Sholay, and, as soon as you make the comparison, Aag falls flat. Still, I guess I just don't despise the film the way many seem to be despising it; it's sub-mediocre, but it's hardly unwatchable.
Both adlabs and RGV have as good as disowned the movie -- there's simply no point of the movie in the shape it came out!

And how can we expect viewers to watch it without ref to Sholay when the director actually made it in ref to Sholay? He was pretty clear about his intentions when he announced RGV KI SHOLAY -- wasn't he?


Let's keep in mind that Ram Gopal Varma has a bit of a history of conceding to mass/critical opinion. Pre-release, he's like a bubbly little ball of energetic enthusiasm; he can't shut up about how great everything is. When the film comes out, and doesn't do well, he suddenly sees all the ways in which he erred (which are quite in line with what people didn't like about the movie). It's fine to admit a mistake, but it's utterly cowardly to roll over and accept that everything everyone didn't like about your work is exactly, and only, what you did wrong with it.


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 Post subject: Re: AAG
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jadoo wrote:
ali wrote:
What a gimp, he always was a shit film maker and always will be.
Ali


Cough - :o :shock: are you kidding ? He is not a total gimp. His good works are : Ek Hasina Thi, Dil Se, and passable films Darna Mana Hai (re: Darna Mana Hai -Commando303, don't get upset now hold your horses dude, keep calm) (lol), Road, Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya, Rangeela. lately his films haven’t been pulling the trigger, he is capable.


Consider the horses held — :lol: . I'm nothing if not in favor of the "to each his own" thing. I thought the stories in Darna Zaroori Hai were contrived and that the meta-plot was insidiously stupid, but that sure as hell doesn't mean someone's wrong in liking either. I really enjoyed Ek Haseena Thi and Road. Rangeela was very good, but I feel that using it to argue that Varma's talented is like using Deewaar to say that Yash Chopra's (still) brilliant. I agree about the self-fulfilling prophecy thing, as well: One convinces onself to such a grand extent that something's going to suck that, when one finally watches it, all one (getting sick of the "one"s yet?) does is note all the things that suck about it.


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 Post subject: Re: AAG
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Commando303 wrote:
jadoo wrote:
ali wrote:
What a gimp, he always was a shit film maker and always will be.
Ali


Cough - :o :shock: are you kidding ? He is not a total gimp. His good works are : Ek Hasina Thi, Dil Se, and passable films Darna Mana Hai (re: Darna Mana Hai -Commando303, don't get upset now hold your horses dude, keep calm) (lol), Road, Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya, Rangeela. lately his films haven’t been pulling the trigger, he is capable.


Consider the horses held — :lol: . I'm nothing if not in favor of the "to each his own" thing. I thought the stories in Darna Zaroori Hai were contrived and that the meta-plot was insidiously stupid, but that sure as hell doesn't mean someone's wrong in liking either. I really enjoyed Ek Haseena Thi and Road. Rangeela was very good, but I feel that using it to argue that Varma's talented is like using Deewaar to say that Yash Chopra's (still) brilliant. I agree about the self-fulfilling prophecy thing, as well: One convinces onself to such a grand extent that something's going to suck that, when one finally watches it, all one (getting sick of the "one"s yet?) does is note all the things that suck about it.
I am not one of the prophecy kinds. I really want every movie to run and be successful. It's very difficult for me to criticize a film in entire-ity. But AAG is an exception in my life -- it simply is not clicking :-)


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bhaskar wrote:
Commando303 wrote:
All right, come on, now: it's not that bad. The thing is, you can't watch Aag "apart" from Sholay, and, as soon as you make the comparison, Aag falls flat. Still, I guess I just don't despise the film the way many seem to be despising it; it's sub-mediocre, but it's hardly unwatchable.


It's really a matter of personal opinion ...

True -- it always is with all movies. With AAG however, it's mass public opinion... it's too horrid to defend in any way.


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 Post subject: Re: AAG
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Commando303 wrote:
Let's keep in mind that Ram Gopal Varma has a bit of a history of conceding to mass/critical opinion. Pre-release, he's like a bubbly little ball of energetic enthusiasm; he can't shut up about how great everything is. When the film comes out, and doesn't do well, he suddenly sees all the ways in which he erred (which are quite in line with what people didn't like about the movie). It's fine to admit a mistake, but it's utterly cowardly to roll over and accept that everything everyone didn't like about your work is exactly, and only, what you did wrong with it.


Yes, I remember when James was made and the critics had their say, he was quick to point out that it was done wrong and that he was going to remake it with the same cast, the way it was intended to be made. What happened to that project? What's happening to his films? Nishabd had a limited release and I don't think Shiva was even released internationally at all. Ram Gopal Varma is in hiding after Aag, but he's going to have a hard time disowning this film, his name is in the title!

I'll tell you what happened to a friend had when trying to buy a ticket for Aag. The person selling him the ticket actually recommended he NOT go and see it. I was expecting it to not be very good, but it's rare when the finished product turns out worse than you could've possibly imagined. It is like a spoof, if treated like a spoof probably people wouldn't have been so hard on it. I saw a TV-promo of Aag earlier, which showed the song between Ajay and Nisha, where she slapped him. Just that part alone brought back all the bad memories. I still don't know how the man who made Satya and Company, can make something so dreadful. Is he ever gonna recover from this? Or is this the end of RGV?


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Mr_Khiladi wrote:
Commando303 wrote:
Let's keep in mind that Ram Gopal Varma has a bit of a history of conceding to mass/critical opinion. Pre-release, he's like a bubbly little ball of energetic enthusiasm; he can't shut up about how great everything is. When the film comes out, and doesn't do well, he suddenly sees all the ways in which he erred (which are quite in line with what people didn't like about the movie). It's fine to admit a mistake, but it's utterly cowardly to roll over and accept that everything everyone didn't like about your work is exactly, and only, what you did wrong with it.


Yes, I remember when James was made and the critics had their say, he was quick to point out that it was done wrong and that he was going to remake it with the same cast, the way it was intended to be made. What happened to that project? What's happening to his films? Nishabd had a limited release and I don't think Shiva was even released internationally at all. Ram Gopal Varma is in hiding after Aag, but he's going to have a hard time disowning this film, his name is in the title!

I'll tell you what happened to a friend had when trying to buy a ticket for Aag. The person selling him the ticket actually recommended he NOT go and see it. I was expecting it to not be very good, but it's rare when the finished product turns out worse than you could've possibly imagined. It is like a spoof, if treated like a spoof probably people wouldn't have been so hard on it. I saw a TV-promo of Aag earlier, which showed the song between Ajay and Nisha, where she slapped him. Just that part alone brought back all the bad memories. I still don't know how the man who made Satya and Company, can make something so dreadful. Is he ever gonna recover from this? Or is this the end of RGV?
True! AAG is a parody, a spoof, no more no less... and a bad spoof at that.


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as ali said impo, company, sarkar, were copies and were over rated!

Rangeela, Shiva were done before ramu went A POLO LOCO! :lol:

EHT , I enjoyed and I think was not directed by himself! I did like Kaun too!

He went down the drain after successful copy BHOOT, and then crap after crap, under company's names, try to sell, cheap thrills in the name of quality cinema!

This is exactly what ramu's ek choti si bekar story! It reminds me of DEV ANAND, who is another shit master and always end up getitng money to do it again! :shock:


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Zoran009 wrote:
as ali said impo, company, sarkar, were copies and were over rated!

Rangeela, Shiva were done before ramu went A POLO LOCO! :lol:

EHT , I enjoyed and I think was not directed by himself! I did like Kaun too!

He went down the drain after successful copy BHOOT, and then crap after crap, under company's names, try to sell, cheap thrills in the name of quality cinema!


Company was a copy? :shock: Of what film? I really need to see the 'original' if it indeed is a copy. That could pretty much make me dislike the film. :(

EHT was not done by him and was 'inspired' by another film. Ab Tak Chappan was a great film and I think original work but it was not directed by him. Kaun on the other hand was done by him and was a complete load of crap as was Bhoot. If anyone is scared of Urmila pulling faces, they need help. :lol: RGV should stay away from horror. What film did Bhoot copy? To me it seemed 'inspired' by the Japanese horror that was popular at that time.

Sarkar, I believe was a 'weak' interpretation of the Godfather. How the hell Indian fans on IMDB believed that Sarkar could be better than the Godfather is beyond me! It's just embarassing that people like that exist.

So is his only truly great film Satya? I guess we can credit Anurag Kashyap with that one!


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