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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:46 pm 
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Often in cineplexes the same movie is screened from film and also on DLP ??
Which version has better PQ and Audio ??

There must be different DLP resolutions and also there are different film formats like 35mm, 70 mm, I-max etc.
How do these different formats rate for PQ and for audio ??


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:52 pm 
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I caught up, transformer, my first DLP view in theater.

Some how I found PQ a lot more grainy and more digital, wall paper like to my taste, it lacked supplness of 35 mm projection.

But some how SOUND was unbelievably good.

I do not have any intention to go watch this in PRINT to compare, as once was too much for me already lol.

But if some one had seen it in print, can pitch in for comparison.

thanks


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:12 pm 
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I'm not a fan of DLP projection. I guess I'm a film purist at heart but the differences are quite obvious. For starters, you really miss the feel that you're watching a movie. When you're watching DLP, it's like you're watching a big TV set. Secondly, the grain isn't as realistic and seems more fake...a lot of times you can't see the true detail (which is very obvious if you sit close to the screen). I also think that the dynamic range lacks true bass and treble distinctions (clarity is lost too). I hope that 35mm can last a lot longer....I'd hate to have to go to the theater less if they did away with it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:21 pm 
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ajy1 wrote:
I'm not a fan of DLP projection. I guess I'm a film purist at heart but the differences are quite obvious. For starters, you really miss the feel that you're watching a movie. When you're watching DLP, it's like you're watching a big TV set. Secondly, the grain isn't as realistic and seems more fake...a lot of times you can't see the true detail (which is very obvious if you sit close to the screen). I also think that the dynamic range lacks true bass and treble distinctions (clarity is lost too). I hope that 35mm can last a lot longer....I'd hate to have to go to the theater less if they did away with it.


i concur with your sentiments.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:16 pm 
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I have only watched Die Hard 4 in DLP.
Before I comment on DLP projected Movie @ real Theater, I should mention that I have about 7 years experience in watching DLP projected movies in my home theater (I switched to a LCD projector recently :D ).

DLP blacks are essentially gray in nature, not pure black as you would get from a film.
It’s better to avoid DLP if you plan to watch a dark movie. The image looks terrible in DLP. On the other hand bright scenes look incredible (again this is subjective) but still some how lacks the authentic film look.

I don’t think sound quality differs any way between the two. Should sound the same!?

Overall I agree with Arsh and others here. If I have a choice I would avoid going to a DLP theater.

Here is an interesting article on this subject

http://filmbrats.com/bts/bts3.html


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:12 pm 
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ganti wrote:
I have only watched Die Hard 4 in DLP.
Before I comment on DLP projected Movie @ real Theater, I should mention that I have about 7 years experience in watching DLP projected movies in my home theater (I switched to a LCD projector recently :D ).

DLP blacks are essentially gray in nature, not pure black as you would get from a film.
It’s better to avoid DLP if you plan to watch a dark movie. The image looks terrible in DLP. On the other hand bright scenes look incredible (again this is subjective) but still some how lacks the authentic film look.

I don’t think sound quality differs any way between the two. Should sound the same!?

Overall I agree with Arsh and others here. If I have a choice I would avoid going to a DLP theater.

Here is an interesting article on this subject

http://filmbrats.com/bts/bts3.html


Your opininos are always welcome here and presence too!

Please stop by more often! 8)

I could not compare sound, because I never watched TRANSFORMER in PRINT THEATER!

I would agree with your comment, but would love to know, if audio in DD was great in other theaters too, for this film. Still, I 'll pass this one for BR..

BTW! Ganti, are you HIGH DEF format neutral or??


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:01 pm 
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Thanks Arsh. I am planning to watch Transformers in a Print Theater (Arena Grand THX Certified) and let you know about Audio.
I never liked Sony: In general I don’t buy any Sony products (this is just my personal preference: No flame wars please).
Being said that I still buy a Blu-ray player probably around Christmas 07 (hoping that it would come down to $200). As you know I still favor Toshiba over Sony.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:14 pm 
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ganti wrote:
Thanks Arsh. I am planning to watch Transformers in a Print Theater (Arena Grand THX Certified) and let you know about Audio.
I never liked Sony: In general I don’t buy any Sony products (this is just my personal preference: No flame wars please).
Being said that I still buy a Blu-ray player probably around Christmas 07 (hoping that it would come down to $200). As you know I still favor Toshiba over Sony.


I did not know that :lol: but now I know!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:18 pm 
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ganti wrote:
I have only watched Die Hard 4 in DLP.
Before I comment on DLP projected Movie @ real Theater, I should mention that I have about 7 years experience in watching DLP projected movies in my home theater (I switched to a LCD projector recently :D ).

DLP blacks are essentially gray in nature, not pure black as you would get from a film.
It’s better to avoid DLP if you plan to watch a dark movie. The image looks terrible in DLP. On the other hand bright scenes look incredible (again this is subjective) but still some how lacks the authentic film look.

I don’t think sound quality differs any way between the two. Should sound the same!?

Overall I agree with Arsh and others here. If I have a choice I would avoid going to a DLP theater.

Here is an interesting article on this subject

http://filmbrats.com/bts/bts3.html


Nice to see you on the forum with your expertise. The link that you gave, explains a lot. Still, a few doubts/ questions worth clarifying/ debating:

1)
DLP projection is always advertised as a PLUS.
Quote:
https://www.famousplayers.com/Theatres/ ... aud=rwcdvs
DLP - Digital Projection and Sound - features crystal clear images and sound. Where available, this movie-going experience is not to be missed. Truly, the next stage in motion picture technology.


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The link you gave says:
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http://filmbrats.com/bts/bts3.html
However, digital still cannot compare to film in terms of resolution. Film currently provides 4850 lines by 4850 lines per inch of resolution. Digital projection boasts 1280 X 1024 lines, which is
less than HDTV’s 1920 X 1080. Either way you resolve it, film is far superior.


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Now, let's resolve what's film resolution ??
I assum4850x4850 per inch means 4850x4850 per inch of film. 35mm film is 22 mm x 18.6 mm meaning 4200x3600 resolution. 70mm film or I-Max film is at least 70mm x 48.5 mm (I-Max could be bigger film area depending on different arrangement) implying 14000x9500 resolution.

Now, how can they claim that a 1280x1024 or even a 1920x1080 DLP resolution is better than 4200x3600 or even 14000x9500 ?? Sure, one excuse is that if the digital effects are created in 1920x1080 format and then converted to film, like star wars, my disgust is, why in the world they cheat us and we get taken.

They are trying to say that one million (1280x1024) and 2 million (1920x1080) resolution (pixels) is better than 14 million (35mm) or even 140 million (70mm/ I-max) resolution (pixels).


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:37 pm 
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Thanks Rana.
I don't have answer to lot of your questions. You are right about DLP resolutions. Check out the NEC Cinema Projector: its the highest resolutions DLP chip but still only resolves 2048 x 1080 pixels.

http://www.nec-pj.com/products/dlpcinema/2500/index.html


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:53 pm 
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rana, from what I understand---the article doesn't claim either one of them to be superior. I don't know if you misread the part with the resolution comparison, or if I misunderstood it. What you quoted clearly states film is superior in terms of resolution.

they make a point about loss of details between film -> digital conversion, and vise versa.

what I don't understand is, even though most films are still shot in 35mm, isn't the editing done digitally?? film to digital back to film? :?

I saw a 'horror' film on DLP projection in the theaters once--and I feel it would've looked hella better on film projection.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:13 pm 
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Yuvan wrote:
what I don't understand is, even though most films are still shot in 35mm, isn't the editing done digitally?? film to digital back to film? :?


When a film is edited digitally the negative is conformed to that digital edit, without outputting the image from the computer to film. So its not film to digital to film, unless, of course, a DI is involved.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:34 pm 
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for me!! no more dlp view


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:04 pm 
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I watch films shot in HD or CGI animation films in DLP. I did see Alien and The Adventures of Robin Hood in DLP, since they weren't being screened from film.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:33 pm 
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DLP:
- sharper than normal prints
- black level may be higher, contrast worse
- no weave
- cleaner than prints
- colors should be about the same
If DLP fixes the contrast issue and the source is a 2K DI it outperforms all prints.
The best image for me is print from camera negative. Once digital has better than best film black levels 4K digital projection will be the best quality and outperform the best 35mm prints.


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