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Well as expected! Crap going HIT!!!!!!!! :keh: :bangbang:

So what's new arsh bhai. This, while a movie like Omkara is finding it tought to just break even. What a shame.


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Sanjay wrote:
arsh wrote:
Well as expected! Crap going HIT!!!!!!!! :keh: :bangbang:

So what's new arsh bhai. This, while a movie like Omkara is finding it tought to evne break even. What a shame.


Yup!! Sanju!! it is IRONICAL, but TRUTH!! what we are seeing these days!!


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i dont blame film makers for making these kind of movies..honestly..if you put im a gazzillion of ur own dollars into a movie..you would of course want it to make some sort of profit..if u actually have a story to go with it..thats great! but the stars are what really drag audiences to the movie..

it sux i know..but that is the trend with movies these days..we see alot of good movies that have good plots just recovering or totally failing..


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I can't post my review here (for some odd reason), so I created a new thread. If someone can moe it here, that would be fine. Thanks.

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Be wary — there be SPOILERS ahead:

I just got back from the theater, having watched Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna; it was OK... just OK.

The most negative aspect of the entire film, I would have to say, is its length; its utterly indefatigable, interminable length. The movie's a predictable venture, yet it takes three and a half hours to tell its tale, and, unfortunately, in doing so, indulges in a lot of repetition. Some moments — in hindsight — actually feel placed to increase the movie's running time. It's almost as though someone sat down and said, "well, it's a Karan Johar film: it has to be long... OK, we're going to go ahead and loop all the 'flashback' moments we can, and, when that fails, we'll just shoot one moment from myriad angles, and cut them all together."

The pacing, too, I found upsetting. During the first hour and a half or so, the film is thoroughly manic-depressive; moments of high hilarity, followed immediately by insanely vocal fights and sqaurrels. Speaking of the humor, I have to say, too often, I found it simply annoying — formulaic and obligatory. The jokes and style I loved in Kal Ho Naa Ho, I found stale and over-done in Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna. Many great directors end up "borrowing," years later, from their own protéges, usually with disastrous results; it almost seems as though, here, Karan Johar's gone stale, and grown desperate, before he's even had a chance to pass his prime. The one thing I do appreciate having been borrowed, is the depiction of "non-Indians." I feel that — in an industry that too often fucks up every aspect of white people and how the English language is spoken by them across the world and its various parts (and that does this in an ever-increasingly "'global' society") — Kal Ho Naa Ho championed a new path; one in which New Yorkers spoke like New Yorkers, and in which not every person the Indian characters met just "happened to be" "perfect"-Hindi-speaking N.R.I.s. Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna keeps this up, and I'm boundlessly glad that it does. OK, all this said, the last hour and a half or so of the film, then, is taken up mostly by Rani Mukherjee's perfectlly-painted face's being marred by two carefully symmetrical streams of tears.

What really ended up getting to be about Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna was just how closely it treaded on hypocrisy. For a film that touts being about "realistic relationships; about love and about marriage," the movie, by its end, really is nothing more than "Karan-Johar romantic cinema." It's not a tale of how couples fight; that's only a smaller part of it. The movie, as a whole, is to be filed under the Shah-Rukh-Khan-romance genre, and not much more. This is Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham, Kuch Kuch Hota Hai, Dilwale Dulhanyia Le Jaayenge, Dil To Pagal Hai, and every other archetypical "Bollywood romance," only it tries to have a more "meaningful, earthy" backdrop. For one thing, on earth, people don't run into one another fractionally as often as they do in Johar's world; this isn't just about "suspending disbelief" — sometimes, even without "thinking about it too much, and thus killing the 'movie-going experience,'" things just seem ridiculously (read, stupidly) easy for the characters. Extra-marital affairs are not new to India, and they've been best when not forced to take a back-seat to getting the two lovers together at the end. Silsila is great; Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna is just "OK."

As for the performances, I found them somewhat sporadically appreciable. This is a Shah-Rukh-Kahn film, and, as such, if he blows, the film sinks. Well, Shah Rukh Khan is a good actor, and I think he does well here. Honestly, I haven't seen him this "Shah-Rukh-Khan" since Dil To Pagal Hai; there are scenes in which he really does revert to some painful, hammy over-acting. Fortunately, though, he's good for the most part, and if you're in the theater watching this film (and you know what you're going in for), you probably won't be disappointed by him. Rani Mukherjee is all right, but, after Black, I guess I expected her to do more acting and less "typical shit." Her role is about as basic as it gets, and she really doesn't put anything interesting into it. Preity Zinta is OK, and Abhishek Bachchan has a scene or two that have him stand out (in a good way), and a scene or three in which you wish you could fast-forward at a movie theater (right, dude?). Kirron Kher is excellent, though, and this means mcuh coming from me, as I usually don't care much for her. She and Amitabh Bachchan — who truly is pitch-perfect, and grants the film enjoyability every time he's on screen — share an almost-tangible chemistry, and I very much favored the few scenes that were devoted to their interactions with each other.

So, on the whole, I found Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna to be a decent film, though nothing spectacular. I think the film goes wrong (besides in its length) in trying to be both "big-budget [very big-bidget] romance," and "realistic domestic drama." After Chalte Chalte — which was not only better than this film, but quite good (and quite under-rated) on its own — I think Shah Rukh Khan did this film only because of its director. The people who go to see the work probably won't walk out pissed (I didn't), but they won't be dlown away (as I wasn't), either.


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Sorry, but I just had to post this little "tid-bit" separately:

What the f*** was with the "flower scene" in the street? The music, the camera-work, the cuts, the intensity... it was played up as as important as Gandhi's assassination. A scene like that — which clocked in, I think, at a good two minutes — could (and should) have been done with subtlety, in passing, not with the entire orchestra beating out a note together.

There... Sorry.


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Thanks very much, Ali.


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Man shoots wife after seeing "Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna"

By Reuters
Monday August 21, 11:05 PM
MUMBAI (Reuters) - An Indian man who took his wife to a hit Bollywood film about marital tensions hoping she would allow him to marry again shot her after she refused, police and a newspaper said.

The Mumbai Mirror daily said on Monday the wife had left his home with their two children after a marital spat.

But on Saturday, they had made up and went to see "Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna", a Hindi film about couples finding love outside marriage, which has been playing to packed houses in Indian cities.

The newspaper said the 32-year-old man's real intention in taking his wife to the movie was to persuade her to allow him to marry his girlfriend.

When she refused, the husband attacked her with a "sharp weapon" and shot her in the stomach, leaving her for dead on the road, the Mumbai Mirror reported.

"The wife survived and she has given us a statement against her husband," a police officer said.

The film's director Karan Johar expressed shock.

"When I made the film, I never thought it would incite such strong emotions," Johar was quoted as saying in the newspaper.

Bollywood, the world's most prolific film industry, has a big influence over the lives millions of Indians, who visit cinemas regularly to see the latest releases.

In June, a young man leapt off a cinema balcony in central India and broke his leg while trying to imitate the stunts of a superhero in a Bollywood movie.


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"When I made the film, I never thought it would incite such strong emotions," Johar was quoted as saying in the newspaper.


Yes, I'm sure that Karan Johar little effort is solely responsible for prompting an otherwise sane, balanced person, to commit homicide. One minute, all is well; the next — BANG! ...And it's all Shah Rukh Khan's fault. Isn't it a little conceded to this that your film was affecting to such an extent? (All this said, I'm sure that the quotation, if it's real at all, was presented grossly out of context.)


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Get ready for another SRK/YRF* super duper hit!! Remaking BILB! With Sarook as a couch! Soccer becomes women Hockey, Punjabi style!! Balle Balle! Amritsar to LA! :twisted:


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What the hell is "BILB"? Is that an abbreviation? (I really wish people would stop fucking abbreviating everything -- :twisted: .)


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Commando303 wrote:
What is "BILB"?


BILB --- Bend It L B :lol:


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So actually after seeing this again, I liked it even more the second time. This time around I was trying to watch the characters very closely and see how the film presents them. Everything is actually very clear and the reasonings for the Dev-Maya relationship are presented very well, contrary to what the general populace has been saying. I also liked Shahrukh's perf much more this time...still over the top but far more enjoyable and suitable to his character. I think the first time out, there were just too many people cracking up during most of the film and that really distracted me from focusing in on it. But what really struck me was how bold the message of the film was and the statement was really driven home, esp. by Shahrukh's monologue. It's no surprise that it's stirred up such controversy. Still with its cheesy moments but far more serious than that initial audience would give it reason to be. Definitely a film that's going to become a classic, at least in my mind. I hope people will give it another chance but who knows?


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Commando303 wrote:
What the hell is "BILB"? Is that an abbreviation? (I really wish people would stop fucking abbreviating everything -- :twisted: .)



Thanks rana!! Thanks for your kind compliment miyan!! way to go commando man!! 8)you are learning!


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ajy1 wrote:
So actually after seeing this again, I liked it even more the second time. This time around I was trying to watch the characters very closely and see how the film presents them. Everything is actually very clear and the reasonings for the Dev-Maya relationship are presented very well, contrary to what the general populace has been saying. I also liked Shahrukh's perf much more this time...still over the top but far more enjoyable and suitable to his character. I think the first time out, there were just too many people cracking up during most of the film and that really distracted me from focusing in on it. But what really struck me was how bold the message of the film was and the statement was really driven home, esp. by Shahrukh's monologue. It's no surprise that it's stirred up such controversy. Still with its cheesy moments but far more serious than that initial audience would give it reason to be. Definitely a film that's going to become a classic, at least in my mind. I hope people will give it another chance but who knows?


I can't bear to watch this again - tell me, why did Rani have an affair? I don't see what she was attracted to in SRK!??!

And did SRK's statement at the end of the film (har kaamyaab shaadi ki buniyaad be-inteha pyaar hona chahiye - or something like that) make sense? I thought they showed his marriage breaking up cos he's a cripple and his wife earns more money that him - I thought they were originally in love!!!


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Possible SPOILERS: I think it's easy for us to say "Well logically the Maya character shouldn't cheat on Rishi b/c he loves her and just wants more from her" but really she just wasn't in love with him. The script made it clear that they honestly were just college friends who decided to get married. Her almost chickening out before the actual marriage also brings that point home. She truly loved Dev's faults and was able to relate to him more (notice that comment about how she even looked past the anger that he still demonstrated to a commuter years later during their reunion at the train station). Plus they found a common bond when they starting hanging out with each other, in the initial reasoning to improve their marriages.

Those aspects are certainly true about the Dev-Rhea union (she makes more money than him, etc.) and the role switch where Rhea became more of a mother instead of a wife also contributed to their downfall. And his attempts to seduce her failed as well (maybe she's not attracted to him in that fashion). It is possible that they were in love initially but fell out of love over the course of their relationship, when you truly learn about the other person and see the differences multiplied.


Plus ultimately we can't necessarily quantify why an individual would choose to be in love with someone. It goes beyond just common sense and becomes more of an emotional thing as well. We may find Dev obnoxious and rude, but Maya still fell for him anyway. And adultery itself is something that happens where the parties feel they're not getting what they want in their current relationships. Could be physical and is certainly not all logical either. I think it's easy to try and explain away something just based on what our experiences are without examining the differences of people. Ultimately I felt the film was very mature in handling the subject matter.


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