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Some more time developing Langda's motives would have serviced the film tremendously - when exactly does he put his plan into motion? After his ambivalence in taking those two photos at the birthday party, there is no scene showing him making a determined decision to bring Omkara down.


agree, and not just w/ langda, but I felt there were several times in the film that events occurred w/out sufficient motivation/development, but rather simply to stay true to the events in the play. the script definitely seemed lacking in that sense. and w/ langda’s character, I thought it wld have been more effective had his character had more motive, afterall in the play, it was certainly more than “ being passed up for lieutenant” which drives iago. and the culmination of the iago/emilia characters was a completely unnecessary and unneeded alteration from the original play, I am not sure what prompted the writers to change it

aside from the script/characterization, I found some of the main players terribly miscast.
saif for me was certainly the most disappointing, I remember reading a vishal interview where he said something like how he wanted saif to be like the gabbar singh of the film. and that was part of the problem, saif seemed too much like an over-the-top masala character rather than the sinister iago. after viewing the film, I cldn’t help thinking how the character wld have been had another khan(irfan) played the part

getting to ajay, the role of omkara severely exposed his limitations as an actor. his lack of emotion/cold/laid back approach worked fine in the first half but as the film moved on and especially in the culminating sequences he completely failed to portray the true anguish of his character. he seemed hardly more troubled in the latter half of the film than he did in the beginning. though not taking away completely from ajay, he did have some particularly effective scenes especially in the first half

my favorite performances in the film wld definitely come from the smaller parts… I cldn’t think of anyone better than vivek to play the young, good looking, flirtatious yet loyal michael cassio. this was one casting decision by vishal which was perfect, and definitely viveks best performance since his company. of course the other great casting choice is deepak dobriyal as the patheric roderigo. after his small part in maqbool, am glad that vishal decided to give him a more pivotal part here



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The background score was exaggerated (not the songs, mind you); sometimes silence during tense moments is more powerful.


ya the score was certainly intrusive during certain portions, but for the most part I thought the score was pretty effective. and the bgm itself was excellent, definitely one of the highlights of the film I thought. but more than the score I thought the song placements were terrible… especially in the first half hour or so where there were like 2-3 songs played in quick succession and greatly interrupted the narrative.

with the exception of beedi, which I thought was not only well placed in the film but also played a part in moving the plot forward (w/ the resulting drunken brawl w/ vivek), all the other songs definitely seemed unneeded and intrusive. even the title song that I liked so much , seemed to be misplaced in the film



and ya there definitely were some wonderfully shot scenes in the film…

definitely the introduction scene of omkara(the character) has to be among the best entrances in hindi cinema. as saif/vivek are scuffling w/ brabanzio’s character in the yard, omkara suddenly appears from above and begins descending the steps wrapped in black and almost completely in shadow. the score in this scene also plays a big part, and is really effective

the other scene of course, is when omkara elects kesu as bahubali, and langda proceeds to yell it off the mountain top sending the crowd into a joyous frenzy. I am not sure who deserves more credit for this scene, vishal or the location scout

also I liked the use of cell phones in the film - one scene in the beginning is particularly clever, when kesu puts the phone on speaker so that bhaisaab can talk to both othello and brabanzio during their confrontation. another instance is when kesu captures a local politician, doing his own brand of "fund-raising" :P , on his camera phone

but all in all, I found the film so so. though to be honest, I probably came into the cinema hall w/ unreasonably high expectations. after all we are talking abt the director of maqbool, one of the best indian films of last decade in my opinion


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I just watched this film. The much deprived audience deserve this film. We have a definite winner with Vishal B!

as for lack of emotions, I disagree. I think the audience is supposed to feel(what I felt rather) sympathy towards all of the characters, including the so called "villain". Spoiler(?):I felt symathetic towards the 'villain' for his pettyness due to the driving force that led him into his state of pettyness. if the film was any more melodramatic, it would be under the YRF banner

Thank you Bharadwaj! Time well spent. I could see this film making rounds around the international circuit.


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Mola Ram wrote:
saif for me was certainly the most disappointing, I remember reading a vishal interview where he said something like how he wanted saif to be like the gabbar singh of the film. and that was part of the problem, saif seemed too much like an over-the-top masala character rather than the sinister iago. after viewing the film, I cldn’t help thinking how the character wld have been had another khan(irfan) played the part


Actually, I'm relieved that Saif decided to avoid the straight-forward, villainous route with Iago, namely because he's explored that territory already in Ek Hasina Thi. He doesn't take his Landa too seriously as the bad guy, and that's why I think this is a rather exceptional performance (you can see him developing as the movie progresses, rather than starting off as utterly ruthless). I think too often with deglamour performances, actors believe they have to play their characters as anguished, embittered vessels instead of considering various shades and dimensions (see Naomi Watts's misplaced, overwrought performance in 21 Grams). Saif offered a truly multi-faceted portrayal, keeping us in the dark about where his character is fixed morally.

And while I love Irrfan Khan's performance in Maqbool (perfectly cast), I can't help he would have fallen into the same trap I talked about above. I don't think I could have taken yet another brooding Iago (seen way too many of them in the theatre and on-screen).


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http://content.msn.co.in/Entertainment/Bollywood/EntertainmentIANS_300706_1154.htm
Mumbai: At a special screening of Vishal Bharadwaj's "Omkara" at Yashraj Studios here, actress Kareena Kapoor's guest list read like a virtual who's who of Bollywood...........

After the show, Bharadwaj was thrilled when Mani Rathnam sent him an SMS saying, "As far as I'm concerned, this is the film of the year".


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Yuvan wrote:
if the film was any more melodramatic, it would be under the YRF banner


I dont think a film needs to be necessarily melodramatic to tug at your heartstrings. I think it simply needs to arrive at the right build-up and needless to say get the audiences involved in the proceedings. You can be involved purely from a spectator standpoint as well as from having a stake in the proceedings standpoint. I think that's the challenge VB may have missed out IMO.

Nevertheless I applaud a good movie and once again say its a must watch for anyone interested in good, serious and intelligent fare.


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Indian Box Office Collections indicate a meagre 10% opening but US opening weekend is reported to be a hefty $ 427,400 for 47 prints. That is over $ 9,000 per print, more than Miami Vice, Pirates Of The Carribean etc. I wonder, if these #s are believable ??

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

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Omkara : The film opens to a very poor response all over. The trade has labelled the film a big flop already because of the high prices. The turnout in some theatres in Delhi and Punjab was as low as 10% and that is a shocker for a big star cast film.


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Aarkayne wrote:
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if the film was any more melodramatic, it would be under the YRF banner


I dont think a film needs to be necessarily melodramatic to tug at your heartstrings. I think it simply needs to arrive at the right build-up and needless to say get the audiences involved in the proceedings. You can be involved purely from a spectator standpoint as well as from having a stake in the proceedings standpoint. I think that's the challenge VB may have missed out IMO.

Nevertheless I applaud a good movie and once again say its a must watch for anyone interested in good, serious and intelligent fare.


point taken, and I agree. perfect example is Kannathil Muthamittaal <3

I think if Dolly had a different personality, or if she(Kareena) possesed a higher level of innocence, it might've hit the target you looking for?


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Yuvan wrote:
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point taken, and I agree. perfect example is Kannathil Muthamittaal <3

I think if Dolly had a different personality, or if she(Kareena) possesed a higher level of innocence, it might've hit the target you looking for?


Correct. Or for that matter so many western flicks. I watched TRANSAMERICA over the weekend where there are very few histrionics and yet it moves you completely.

I think you are right about Dolly's character. Perhaps someone never seen on screen before, that was making her debut with the requisite acting skills may have done it better. I am thinking someone with the looks of say a Manisha Koirala (as she looked in 1942 - A LOVE STORY - a lily fresh look), may have done it.


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Spoilers: can someone clarify what the incentive for Indu's (SEN) to take the waist band is?


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Anyone, among my friends, I talked to liked Omkara alot and hated Mistress Of Spices.

But, I found only one thing good about Omkara. That's the ticket price that was $ 4.24 instead of $ 4.25 that I expected. :lol: :lol:
I've yet to see Mistress Of Spices (Tomorrow).


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rana wrote:
That's the ticket price that was $ 4.24 instead of $ 4.25


Are you kidding me. We have been paying $10 for every movie since YashRaj Films (at least thats what the distributor here attributes it to) have upped the price of their flicks. i need to re-locate to where you are habibi :D

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To attempt answering Yuvan's question about Indu's motivation for the kamarbandh snatch.......think its one of those weaknesses in the human character that's being displayed. Probably the exact premise for her action will come about as a deleted scene on the DVD.


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rana wrote:
Anyone, among my friends, I talked to liked Omkara alot and hated Mistress Of Spices.

But, I found only one thing good about Omkara. That's the ticket price that was $ 4.24 instead of $ 4.25 that I expected. :lol: :lol:
I've yet to see Mistress Of Spices (Tomorrow).


How did you like MAQBOOL comparitively rana?


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Only thing I dread about this film is the home video options. someone please tell me that UTV is going to release this? :(


SPOILERS:That just makes everything convenient, doesn't it? lol so she just fancied the item...


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Yuvan wrote:
Only thing I dread about this film is the home video options. someone please tell me that UTV is going to release this? :(


SPOILERS:That just makes everything convenient, doesn't it? lol so she just fancied the item...


Try Eros!!!


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Shemaroo should also release this ... their logo was at the beginning of the movie - before Eros' :D


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