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LMAO @ title :lol:


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See what happens when you have a factory plant to churn things with robotics!


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See what happens when you have a factory plant to churn things with robotics!


I am not even sure what that means arsh

but as far as remakes are concerned, many great directors have remade their fav old classics - da palma remade ‘scarface’, soderbergh remade ‘solaris’ and ‘ocean’s 11’, miike remade ‘graveyard of honor’, scorsese remade ‘cape fear’….an the list goes on

and plus this is not going to be another curry western but a modern update set in bumbai

and heck.. taking old western plots and turning them into modern day crime/drama has been done a lot in hollywood with great results (‘taxi driver’ was modern update of ford’s ‘the searchers’)

even in bollywood (remember ‘zanjeer’)

thus ramu’s ‘sholay’ project definitely looks promising…and he rarely disappoints


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Mola Ram wrote:
I am not even sure what that means arsh


are we ever sure? :lol: :twisted:


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Mola Ram wrote:
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See what happens when you have a factory plant to churn things with robotics!


I am not even sure what that means arsh

but as far as remakes are concerned, many great directors have remade their fav old classics - da palma remade ‘scarface’, soderbergh remade ‘solaris’ and ‘ocean’s 11’, miike remade ‘graveyard of honor’, scorsese remade ‘cape fear’….an the list goes on

and plus this is not going to be another curry western but a modern update set in bumbai

and heck.. taking old western plots and turning them into modern day crime/drama has been done a lot in hollywood with great results (‘taxi driver’ was modern update of ford’s ‘the searchers’)

even in bollywood (remember ‘zanjeer’)

thus ramu’s ‘sholay’ project definitely looks promising…and he rarely disappoints


Farhan ka DON, Ramu ke Baghdad ke SHOLAY :lol: , JP Dutta's Umrao Jaan!! then Mughl e azam!! man!! come on!

Ramu's automated factory has been churning one flick/2-3 months! Now with remakes/15 days...scarry!!


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arsh wrote:

Farhan ka DON, Ramu ke Baghdad ke SHOLAY :lol: , JP Dutta's Umrao Jaan!! then Mughl e azam!! man!! come on!

Ramu's automated factory has been churning one flick/2-3 months! Now with remakes/15 days...scarry!!


However he doesnt direct all of them. Stick to those directed by him and you wont be dissapointed


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disagree jag, if you look at the last few years some of the best films have been his productions.. ‘ab tak 56’, ‘main madhuri dixit’, ‘ek hasina thi’, ‘d’...


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Mola

I agree with you. I wasnt saying his films have been the best or all of the others are bad. I particularly like all the films you mentioned except 'main madhuri..'.

What I was saying is dont lump all the films together and jump to conclusions about future films.

Anyway I see that a few people form an opinion of a film much before the film releases and then bombard the board with posts/articles which profess their viewpoint while totally ignoring everything else creating a self fulfulling prohecy for themselves


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Mola Ram wrote:
I am not even sure what that means arsh

but as far as remakes are concerned, many great directors have remade their fav old classics - da palma remade ‘scarface’, soderbergh remade ‘solaris’ and ‘ocean’s 11’, miike remade ‘graveyard of honor’, scorsese remade ‘cape fear’….an the list goes on

and plus this is not going to be another curry western but a modern update set in bumbai

and heck.. taking old western plots and turning them into modern day crime/drama has been done a lot in hollywood with great results (‘taxi driver’ was modern update of ford’s ‘the searchers’)

even in bollywood (remember ‘zanjeer’)

thus ramu’s ‘sholay’ project definitely looks promising…and he rarely disappoints


Mola - Perhaps "remakes" are not necessarily a bad thing ( and you have given fine examples for those) . I see remakes as the current wave thats sweeping the world-of-cinema just like the neo-realist movement of the 50's or the new-wave of the 60s , Good or bad - Time and People will decide.

My relationship with Ramu has been on a steady decline over the past few years with every new film he has come out with (Bhoot was not "ramu-worthy") . Ramu in a way reminds me of tarantino - both didnot goto film school, they learnt the craft from watching films, while Taranitno is obsessed with east-asia , ramu is attached to the underworld. Both of these filmmakers ( I think) are now going through a phase of creative-bankruptcy - they seem to now make films as "homage" to the films they have seen and that is "cool" only to a certain extent. Hopefully both (esp. Ramu, because he is a 'giant' in Indian cinema) come out of this cocoon and start 'making' movies instead of mass-producing them.

I don’t think I share the same enthusiasm with you guys on this project and I have my doubts if this will come through - but still lets see how this pans out (BTW I hope no one dares to remake Pyaasa !) .


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jag wrote:
arsh wrote:

Farhan ka DON, Ramu ke Baghdad ke SHOLAY :lol: , JP Dutta's Umrao Jaan!! then Mughl e azam!! man!! come on!

Ramu's automated factory has been churning one flick/2-3 months! Now with remakes/15 days...scarry!!


However he doesnt direct all of them. Stick to those directed by him and you wont be dissapointed


He is remaking his own directed films, RAAT into Bhoot, Satya, Company into Sarkar etc etc..till he gets it RIGHT! :lol:


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dvdisoil wrote:
Mola Ram wrote:
I am not even sure what that means arsh

but as far as remakes are concerned, many great directors have remade their fav old classics - da palma remade ‘scarface’, soderbergh remade ‘solaris’ and ‘ocean’s 11’, miike remade ‘graveyard of honor’, scorsese remade ‘cape fear’….an the list goes on

and plus this is not going to be another curry western but a modern update set in bumbai

and heck.. taking old western plots and turning them into modern day crime/drama has been done a lot in hollywood with great results (‘taxi driver’ was modern update of ford’s ‘the searchers’)

even in bollywood (remember ‘zanjeer’)

thus ramu’s ‘sholay’ project definitely looks promising…and he rarely disappoints


Mola - Perhaps "remakes" are not necessarily a bad thing ( and you have given fine examples for those) . I see remakes as the current wave thats sweeping the world-of-cinema just like the neo-realist movement of the 50's or the new-wave of the 60s , Good or bad - Time and People will decide.

My relationship with Ramu has been on a steady decline over the past few years with every new film he has come out with (Bhoot was not "ramu-worthy") . Ramu in a way reminds me of tarantino - both didnot goto film school, they learnt the craft from watching films, while Taranitno is obsessed with east-asia , ramu is attached to the underworld. Both of these filmmakers ( I think) are now going through a phase of creative-bankruptcy - they seem to now make films as "homage" to the films they have seen and that is "cool" only to a certain extent. Hopefully both (esp. Ramu, because he is a 'giant' in Indian cinema) come out of this cocoon and start 'making' movies instead of mass-producing them.

I don’t think I share the same enthusiasm with you guys on this project and I have my doubts if this will come through - but still lets see how this pans out (BTW I hope no one dares to remake Pyaasa !) .


alas!! I thought though that we still have some directors left to turn to!

But SLB..went, flashy, glossy, Ramu..went factory way to underworld, VVC is also going flashy, remakes, factory way!Farhan I dont count him, after only one film! he went down!

Ashutosh..combined with Ghaii, going grandious Jodha Saga with big wigs !!

Any Original, daredevils left? :?: :idea: :roll: I dont think so..

Remake, Sholay, remake mughl e azam just easy way out!! to cash on old sentiments with new technology.. :twisted: :cry:


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arsh wrote:
alas!! I thought though that we still have some directors left to turn to!


Arsh - I feel/share your frustration. I think Indian cinema is really begging for some new talent and I am pretty sure it will happen (it might take time but it will happen). The reason I think "remake-wave" is ok is because it means that we are not making the same films we made in the 80s or 90s and that we are changing the way we make films - which in itself is a good thing. Cinema as an art form is still in its infancy ( 100 years when compared to painting which is over 4000 years old !) and all this will only make it "better", after all de-evolving is also evolving. I think of all this as a means to an end, one day we will see Indian cinema in its full glory and if I have to weed through all this then so be it.


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I've not seen Naach or Sarkar but rest of RGV directed features have been disappointing after Sayta. None have the magic and ingenuity that made Satya special – to the affect that I can’t be even be bothered watching his latest movies like Sarkar.

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ali wrote:
I've not seen Naach or Sarkar but rest of RGV directed features have been disappointing after Sayta. None have the magic and ingenuity that made Satya special – to the affect that I can’t be even be bothered watching his latest movies like Sarkar.

Ali


Naach presentation was so boring that even hard core good cinema fans like me could barely sit and watch that piece of ramu's art! :roll:


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