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Do you still believe Progressive encoding * is not* necessary for good DVDs ?
Yes 42%  42%  [ 8 ]
No 58%  58%  [ 11 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:30 pm 
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Hey VDC...
AS Arsh said, its "custom made". YOu will need the bad dvd from somewhere ( I wont tell you where to get it from. Afterall I dont support piracy :D :D ).
YOu will then have to "re-author" them in order to get a progressive dvd.
I was just fiddling with a dvd when I found out this can be done.

Technically any pseudo-progressive dvd can be made progressive. I will post a step-by-step DIY for this sometime later. First I want to see if someone else can replicate this process. Thats why I am "trying" to "coach" arsh :D

Miyan Arsh, pseudo 5.1 audio cannot be made into proper 5.1 audio... I even checked on the net abt that but alas no clue :(


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sknath wrote:
Miyan Arsh, pseudo 5.1 audio cannot be made into proper 5.1 audio... I even checked on the net abt that but alas no clue :(


T-Series can with new audio recordings. :D

Rana


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( I wont tell you where to get it from. Afterall I dont support piracy ).


Lots of things have changed here since you have been away Buddy! This place is crawling with piracy and 2 in 1 lovers! :lol: :P


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Yeah JB, thats what I see. What I think is, hopefully the 2-in-1 pirates can follow the step-by-step DIY that I will post at a later date and then make good quality Pirates ! Afterall originals these days are all shit !
I wont mind joining them, provided I do that on my terms :D

Wouldnt want a time-bomb DVD with the same crap as the original version. !


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sknath wrote:
Yeah JB, thats what I see. What I think is, hopefully the 2-in-1 pirates can follow the step-by-step DIY that I will post at a later date and then make good quality Pirates !

Wouldnt want a time-bomb DVD with the same crap as the original version. !


I'm no lover of 2in1s, but must admit, some 2in1s seem to come from experts who know DVD ripping as well as which original to pick for ripping. Media too is better than the original DVDs of these days. It's only one or two compnies who put enough effort in selecting a best available source and then expertly make a DVD. Hard work of one or two companies gets ruined when there is prolification of 2in1 companis, most not even knowing what they are doing.

Rana


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I'm no lover of 2in1s


Me either! :lol:

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some 2in1s seem to come from experts who know DVD ripping


You may have a point, but can't confirm cause the only 2 in 1's I saw and have are from EROS. They are craps! :lol: :P Hopefully, I can see Sknath wonders soon! :P


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sweetfriend wrote:
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some 2in1s seem to come from experts who know DVD

Especially the ones from Canada.
Seems to me some 2 in 1 dvds are pirated right in Canada.Heard they have their own software to add English Subtitles.


If any doubt about what I said that some (about 5%) 2in1s are better than their official current versions, check this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=3634&start=0

Check Mann PQ and Audio.
2in1 is sourced from previously unknown first batch from EROS that was Progressive. The 2in1 Mann is Progressive too.

Moreover, Official Anamorphic Interlaced version of MANN is cut off heavily from the top of the picture and somewhat from the bottom of the picture too.

There may be other examples as well.

Rana


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Generally speaking, I find 2 in one, POOR QUALITY/VALUE, UNACCEPTABLE as far as HINDI MOVIES r concerned as ORIGINAL dvds are ABYSMAL, mOST of time!


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FYI zulmi's...
Shahehshah (TTV) and Ram Teri Ganga Maili (Shemaroo) have been made progressive. Screenshots will follow soon.

You can save a lot of bit-rate by encoding the audio in both these dvds at 224 Kbps instead of 448 Kbps. Thats because the audio is crap in both these dvd's


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sknath wrote:
FYI zulmi's...
Shahehshah (TTV) and Ram Teri Ganga Maili (Shemaroo) have been made progressive. Screenshots will follow soon.

You can save a lot of bit-rate by encoding the audio in both these dvds at 224 Kbps instead of 448 Kbps. Thats because the audio is crap in both these dvd's


Eagerly waiting for step by step procedure. :lol:

When a dvd is made progressive, does it reduce the file size compre to non-progressive?


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does the process of reconverting take long? (your way of doing it)

I have tried make some dvds progressive myself using tmpegenc, but it took sometime to convert. However, the quality was a lot better, i will see if i can find some screenshots to post.


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Spooky you got it right. I am using Tmpenc. The settings and how to identify bad frames..thats the step-by-step information I intend on posting.

As for the bit-rate in the reauthored version, you have two options :-

1.) You can keep the same (or nearly the same bit-rate) as the original files and then burn it on 2-DVD's

2.) You can repeat Step-1 to get a match with your IFO file's and then re-compress it to fit 1 DVD...

Please be warned that I have no idea how to fit in subtitles...If someone is kind enough he/she can post a DIY for that part also. I do not need subtitles for any dvds I have, except maybe a few tamil DVDs.


Also all DVD's cannot be corrected. Only "pseudo-progressive" dvd's can be corrected. What is a PP-dvd ?
1.) Play the dvd using Powerdvd.
2.) Make sure de-interlacing mode is in Force-weave (Config..video..advanced)
3.) Then press pause.
4.) Then do a step advance.

If while doing step advances..you see 3 good frames, followed by 2 bad frames, then you know that you have a pseudo-progressive dvd. That dvd can be easily corrected. (e.g all the dvds mentioned in the previous posts of this thread)

If you have more than 2 garbage frames (a garbage frame is one with combing artifacts) or if the pattern is not as stated in the previous paragraph, then you cannot get a 100% progressive dvd. You can at best get a 90% progressive dvd, with at least 1 bad frame coming in the picture. However, with TMPgenc+ you can reduce the "flickering" artifacts to a very large extent. ( an e.g would be Aankhen-WEG )


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Jamesbond,
what I meant was that You can get an original dvd from anywhere (rent it, borrow it etc.) and then make your own copy (proper one of cos). In essence this boils down to make your own 2-in-1 "pirate" rather than paying an inveterate pirate for making it :D (afterall, self-help is the best help, dont you think ? :P )


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with regards to pseudo-progressive dvds, am i right in saying that these are the only ones that the faroudja chip is so good at correcting?

basically, you guys are removing the need for a faroudja dvd player, right?

also, would yrf, interlaced pal to ntsc dvds like khnh and kmg benefit at all from a faroudja player?

thanks.


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sknath wrote:
Jamesbond,
what I meant was that You can get an original dvd from anywhere (rent it, borrow it etc.) and then make your own copy (proper one of cos). In essence this boils down to make your own 2-in-1 "pirate" rather than paying an inveterate pirate for making it :D (afterall, self-help is the best help, dont you think ? :P )


Yeah Yeah! we've been there before! Remember the fair usage and mp3 thing? Anyhow, I don't mind you helping yourself but it is not the best. Helping me to help myself to your hard work is the best! I'll test the first one for you! :lol: :P


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