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 Post subject: Ab Tak 56 promos - WOW!
PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:07 am 
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The "Ab Tak 56" promos are out at India FM! All I can say is WOW! After the horrible "Khakee" put me to sleep yesterday (great performances by AB & Atul though), RGV/ Shimit Amin are going to show losers like RKS how to make a cop film! After watching the promos I can safely say that Nana is going to surpass his classic cop performance from Yeshwant! If this lives up to the hype it will be 3 greats in a row for the RGV camp (along w/ MMDBCH, EHT). Get ready for a cop classic! (Maybe even 4 this year w/ aan, dev, Jaago)

Btw, is it me or does the score sound familiar to the classic "Untouchables" score by Morricone?
Either way, great score!



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hey man, no offense but obviously u don't watch enough movies??? you call Khakee a bore and yet u're excited by this lame-ass, b-grade ripoff of Training Day??


that's right... look closer, watch the first trailer - this is a scene by scene copy of Training Day. I mean how can RGV call himself original and daring when he makes cheezy no-name movies with no originality whatsoever :ffs: :ffs: :ffs:


Santoshi didn't make an entirely original film, but he tried to revitalize an ailing genre of Bollywood, and he succeeded very much. This dumb ass film is definately nowhere near the quality of that masterpiece :baaa: :baaa: :nopity:


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yaar dont go dissing RGV like that..they make good movies...

isnt Khakee in legal trouble or something? apparently the story was lifted of someone else who voiced the idea to santoshi but santoshi refused to make it then..


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I respect both RGV and RKS. They both have different but effective styles. While RGV succeeds on dark and gritty, RKS succeeds on hard-hitting while satisfying the mass audience. I saw Khakee yesterday. I don't think anyone understands how it put you to sleep. The movie was very well paced and every scene was great!!! It's been a while. I can't wait for Ab tak 56 though.


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C'mon man, let's be serious
In my opinion "Khakee" was bad film.. poorly paced and a ridiculous plot that was too convoluted for its own good. Not even strong performances by AB and Atul could save this. RKS has never made a good film nor will he ever. With RGV (and his team), on the other hand, you never know what you are going to get. They can dazzle you with masterpieces such as the last 2 releases (MMDBCH, EHT) or they can release garbage like the 3 previous to those (Road, Bhoot, Darna Mana Hai). But I have a feeling from watching the promos that this is going to be another great from the RGV camp. I am not even worried about the "Training day" resemblances. I think RGV has proved w/ EHT that he can make great film, even if partly inspired from other films. As for the promos looking b-grade, I see it as realistic & grimy.. the way a film like this should look (this isn't Devdas). I guess we will just have to wait and see how this film turns out




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no offense guys, but I think that seriously RGV is a hit-and-miss producer. He IS awesome, yes - watch all his earlier films, ending with his last masterpiece - COMPANY. However Bhoot, while different, was just a lame ripoff of The Exorcist. It was different, yes, but not necessarily exciting.

Everything after Bhoot however was hit and miss. I admire RGV for taking on daring challenges and trying to change the industry, but at the same time, I'm beginning to suspect that he thinks he's the SHIT. He's just getting to clever for his own good. While his company releases a film every 2-3 months, not all are the best. Darna Mana Hai was somewhat ok, but horribly disappointing.

Madhuri Dixit was just a lame ripoff of his own awesome films - Rangeela and Mast. I'm sorry the whole movie might have been somewhat entertaining, but how can u sympathize with a major bitch like Antara Malli's character. She was PURE EVIL, unlike Urmila and Aftab's characters in Rangeela and Mast (respectively), she was not innocent - but naive, cunning, and simply put really really stupid. The only person more stupider than her was Rajpal Yaadav who knew that he was just a dog, but simply chose to be loyal to the queen bitch out of his undying love. She never once admitted that she even remotely liked him, despite him doing all those things for her. I'm sorry when the main character is as pathetic as Antara Malli, I just can't even remotely follow the main emotions of the movie, let alone enjoy it.


Ek Hasina Thi, however, is AWESOME. Great RGV style of filmmaking which still shows he has it in him to deliver quiky gritty thrillers. What I liked most is not that its gritty or exciting (which it is), but it took a pretty boy actor like Saif and turned him completely upside down to deliver one of the most intense, FUCKED UP, performances of the year. I admire RGV for casting him and I admire Saif even more for taking that role. BRAVO!!

However Ab Tak Chappan, since i saw that trailer, i have a feeeling its going to be like Bhoot. Marginally ok, very gritty, but just as much, a ripoff. It doesn't really have a good cast u know - just Nana Patekar. Ok Nana is good enough to headline a movie, but the rest of the cast looks pathetic. The movie does have the gritty factor going for it, but u can't really remake a great movie such as Training Day, without atleast a well known cast. And remember, Training Day wasn't exactly THE ROCK. So Unlike Qayamat, which you could say atleast had good cinematography and action scenes (besides an awesome cast), all Training Day had was a gritty story. Now since the story is a word for word copy, all Ab Tak 56 has going for it is possibly Nana's acting. And if he doesn't deliver the goods, then the movie will most likely be shit.


Now as for Khakee... I won't go into why it is a masterpiece. It has been discussed several times before. But I think u're dreaming if u say that Nana's performance will anywhere near be as good as AB's INCREDIBLE tour-de-force act in Khakee.


And Santoshi is a shit director??? Obviously you haven't seen Ghayal, Damini, Ghatak, Legend of Bhagat Singh, or even Andaaz Apna Apna, have you???


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" Madhuri Dixit was just a lame ripoff of his own awesome films - Rangeela and Mast. I'm sorry the whole movie might have been somewhat entertaining, but how can u sympathize with a major bitch like Antara Malli's character. She was PURE EVIL, unlike Urmila and Aftab's characters in Rangeela and Mast (respectively), she was not innocent - but naive, cunning, and simply put really really stupid."

That is the point. They each have the same general subject but w/ different perspectives and characters. I see it as a trilogy of sorts, w/ each one being better than the last! Rajpal & Antara clearly top Aaftab-Urmila and Aamir-Urmila. However they are all classics - hopefully we will see
more in this series from the RGV camp in the future.


"So Unlike Qayamat, which you could say atleast had good cinematography and action scenes (besides an awesome cast)"

I can see why you appreciated "Qayamat", considering you liked "Khakee"


"Now since the story is a word for word copy"

WTF! Where did you hear this?


"But I think u're dreaming if u say that Nana's performance will anywhere near be as good as AB's INCREDIBLE tour-de-force act in Khakee."

We don't have to wait for "Ab Tak 56". Nana topped everyone in 2003 & so far in 2004 w/ his performance in Aanch


"And Santoshi is a shit director??? Obviously you haven't seen Ghayal, Damini, Ghatak, Legend of Bhagat Singh, or even Andaaz Apna Apna, have you???"

I have seen all RKS movies except "Damini" and "Barsaat".
As for "Ghayal", "Andaz Apna Apna", "Ghatak", "China Gate", "Pukar", "Lajja", "LOBS", and "Khakee" - I am thankful to them for providing me with countless hours of great sleep.

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RKS isn't bad for the old fogey league of directors who are for the most part, generally retarded like Subhash Ghai, Anil Sharma, JP Dutta, Indra Kumar, Mehul Kumar, Saawan Kumar Tak, Feroze Khan, Lawrence D'Souza etc... (you get idea). RKS can stand proud among such losers, but RGV he is not.

Problem with him is he loses me while trying to please the masses with stupid comedy in films like TLOBS, Lajja and Barsaat. Strangely though, Andaaz Apna Apna is quite possibly one of Bollywood's best comedies.


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Aryan wrote:
Problem with him is he loses me while trying to please the masses with stupid comedy in films like TLOBS, Lajja and Barsaat. Strangely though, Andaaz Apna Apna is quite possibly one of Bollywood's best comedies.

AAA is silly but extremely funny. It works because it is a comedy from start to finish with no serious diversions anywhere.

Wasn't Lawrence D'Souza's only hit Saajan? He was last seen directing Indian Babu :)


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Aryan, those old fogey of directors that u're mentioning have made some pretty damn good films. Yes most of them have YET to adapt to modern ideas and concepts but some of them are doing quite well.

Subhash Ghai may suck, but don't forget Karma. Feroz Khan is ok (i thought Janasheen was tolerable) but don't forget Jaanbaz. J. P. Dutta sux now but go see Yateem, Hathyar, Ghulami and tell me seriously that RGV is a better director. Lawrence D'Souza used to make quite decent films in the '90s, etc. However if u count this theory then yeah you can also count RGV in this category cause apparantly his best days ended with Company and his newer films aren't up to the task of Rangeela/Satya.

Oh and stupid comedy scenes were one of the really horrible crimes of Bollywood, and I'm glad to see that they're not being used that much anymore. However I don't remember any such scene in TLOBS.


As for Molaram, it is very clear that u hate Khakee and so be it. I'm not convincing u of anything, cause u are clearly entitled to ur opinion.

As for my opinion, well I think Ab Tak 56 looks like a scene by scene rehash of Training Day, which is pretty offensive enough to rule it off as a bad film. And then what they do is replace the great cast of Training day with substandard cast of Nana Patekar and a bunch of nobodies. LOL....

Nana doing Denzel... don't make me laugh my head off

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Aryan wrote:
RKS isn't bad for the old fogey league of directors who are for the most part, generally retarded like Subhash Ghai, Anil Sharma, JP Dutta, Indra Kumar, Mehul Kumar, Saawan Kumar Tak, Feroze Khan, Lawrence D'Souza etc... (you get idea).

Obviously, you don't like Indian Films. Period.

As it is, despite tons of publicity and positive feed backs theatres go empty and are disapperaing fast.

May be we just let Hollywood Films invade the world.

What about us who like popular Bollywood Films. What about those who want to see Bollywood Films. May be, we should let Hollywood dub their films in all the languages of the world.

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I would take Nana over Denzel as a cop any day! Nana's cop performance will put Denzel's Training day performance to shame! Everyone knows Denzel won his oscar simply because it was overdue, not because of his ridiculous over the top performance. Denzel's performance was not even near the greats (Dirty Harry, Popeye Doyle)


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rana wrote:
Obviously, you don't like Indian Films. Period.

May be we just let Hollywood Films invade the world.

Rana

Preferring RGV over Subhash Ghai makes me an Indian film hater? How so? Incidentally, some of my favourite filmmakers are Indian.

Darius, if Janasheen was tolerable, then we're on different planets altogether. I mean the film uses stock motor-racing footage and more stock footage from an American B movie set in Afghanistan! Very shamelessly and blatantly too... Does filmmaking get any worse than that?


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darius25 wrote:
Subhash Ghai may suck, but don't forget Karma. Feroz Khan is ok (i thought Janasheen was tolerable) but don't forget Jaanbaz. J. P. Dutta sux now but go see Yateem, Hathyar, Ghulami and tell me seriously that RGV is a better director. Lawrence D'Souza used to make quite decent films in the '90s, etc. However if u count this theory then yeah you can also count RGV in this category cause apparantly his best days ended with Company and his newer films aren't up to the task of Rangeela/Satya.

Why are we comparing RGVs films as a producer to other directors' films? Seems like Oranges and Apples to me. And what movies as a director dont you like? Looks like you like most films till Company. What did he make after that? Just one film - Bhoot. I dont see how one film changes your view of him

Personally I didnt like Bhoot, but loved Darna Mana Hai even though the ending was lame. Even the "Apple Episode" which most people claim is the worst was interesting to me

Yes RGV's films as a producer havent been up to the mark. I think he should not base his films on hollywood films and slow down on the production

And there is no need of bad mouthing one director if you like the other. I have liked almost all Raj Kumar Santoshi's films to some extent or the other. Definitely better than most other directors


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I think it is perfectly valid comparing RGV's recent "productions" ('99-'04) as his own. I have a hard time imagining RGV standing quietly watching. He has said he "guides" his directors - whatever that means? I also think his recent productions have been just as successful (not box office success) as his own films...

Shool
Love Ke Liye Kuch Bhi Karega
Main Madhuri Dixit Banna Chahti Hoon
Ek Hasina Thi

All masterpieces - sure he has had some crap along the way (PTKK, Road, DMH) but the others make up for it


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