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Zoran009
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Thnx for responding sunny, imho, ayangran seems to be a good, professional company and are capable to do their good stuff, the right way..

Secondally, what i was requesting, a possible screen shots or a short clip of a magic bulleted vs non bulleted material..if possible?
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mhafner
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kits wrote:
One reason DVDs authored at Prasad look better than at other Indian authoring facilities is first, they take lot of time to do short by short correction for telecine and then take lot of effort and time to encode it to MPEG2. Also, unlike most facilites these guys directly encode the film to MPEG2 from telecine instead of first making a Digital BetaCam copy. This preserves the high quality of source on DVD.

Care to name a single high quality NTSC DVD from Prasad?
So far I have seen only field averaged rubbish and worse
(PAL extra fields). So what films have been released
from film direct to NTSC without field averaging and
without tons of aliasing and wobbling detail?
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Zoran009
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I totally agree with HAFNER, YRF/PARSAD are DISGRACE to those NEW RELEASES along with OLD>> :nopity: :ffs: :keh: :bash:
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rana
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mhafner wrote:
kits wrote:
One reason DVDs authored at Prasad look better than at other Indian authoring facilities is first, they take lot of time to do short by short correction for telecine and then take lot of effort and time to encode it to MPEG2. Also, unlike most facilites these guys directly encode the film to MPEG2 from telecine instead of first making a Digital BetaCam copy. This preserves the high quality of source on DVD.

Care to name a single high quality NTSC DVD from Prasad?
So far I have seen only field averaged rubbish and worse
(PAL extra fields). So what films have been released
from film direct to NTSC without field averaging and
without tons of aliasing and wobbling detail?

Kits said, "Also, unlike most facilites these guys directly encode the film to MPEG2 from telecine "

Then why Field Averaging??
May be it's Film to PAL telecine and then outputting the DVD in NTSC, results in Field Averaged frames.

Rana
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Shahran Sunny Audit
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I would post magic bullet shots, but I haven't the time...instead L'll post forthcoming shots of Kaaka Kaaka DVD with audio commentray 1 min sample, courtesey of Ayngaran. Just waiting for Ali to post me details of how I can get all of this on his site....
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DragunR2
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mhafner wrote:
Care to name a single high quality NTSC DVD from Prasad?
So far I have seen only field averaged rubbish and worse
(PAL extra fields). So what films have been released
from film direct to NTSC without field averaging and
without tons of aliasing and wobbling detail?

I don't think it has happened yet :)

I consider most Ayngaran discs to be quite watchable, but even then I've noticed interference with fine moving detail. I suppose this would be aliasing. I remember some shots with moving grass in Kannathil Muthamittal that looked very odd.

BTW, I thought Ayngaran was doing the telecine themselves rather than having Prasad do it.
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Shahran Sunny Audit
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Ayngaran have done thier own transfers for a few DVD's...
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kits
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mhafner wrote:
Care to name a single high quality NTSC DVD from Prasad?
So far I have seen only field averaged rubbish and worse
(PAL extra fields). So what films have been released
from film direct to NTSC without field averaging and
without tons of aliasing and wobbling detail?

Few latest Telugu DVDs by EVP like Okkadu and Nee Sneham. From my conversations with people at prasad, they said they transfer film to directly to(NTSC) MPEG2. They also provide a backup copy in Digital Betacam but in PAL format. This turned me away from authoring there.

If you all give me some suggestions, I will try to get our next DVD better. Our problem is the producer will not let the negative go anywhere but Prasad labs in Chennai or Mantra Labs in Hyderabad. We got our first DVD done at Mantra(Donga Ramudu & Party) and I tried my best to make it atleast the best DVD done at Mantra so far. Mantra offered me to do Progressive DVD using software solution but they saw samples and felt 30 frames direct NTSC transfer looked better than converting that source to 24fps using Apples Final Cut Pro.
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DragunR2
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If you all give me some suggestions, I will try to get our next DVD better.


Kits, what company do you work for? EVP?

Are Telugu producers protective of their negs because of piracy?
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kits
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DragunR2 wrote:
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If you all give me some suggestions, I will try to get our next DVD better.


Kits, what company do you work for? EVP?

Are Telugu producers protective of their negs because of piracy?

iDreamDVD.com. A new one! About negatives, producers are just protective of negatives and moreover, they just follow trend with other producers.



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ali
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Thanks to Shahran Sunny Audit here are shots from the forthcoming Kaaka Kaaka DVD from Ayngaran (menu screen shots were resized to 50%, rest are untouched and are as Sunny sent them)

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mhafner
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kits wrote:
mhafner wrote:
Care to name a single high quality NTSC DVD from Prasad?
So far I have seen only field averaged rubbish and worse
(PAL extra fields). So what films have been released
from film direct to NTSC without field averaging and
without tons of aliasing and wobbling detail?

If you all give me some suggestions, I will try to get our next DVD better. Our problem is the producer will not let the negative go anywhere but Prasad labs in Chennai or Mantra Labs in Hyderabad. We got our first DVD done at Mantra(Donga Ramudu & Party) and I tried my best to make it atleast the best DVD done at Mantra so far. Mantra offered me to do Progressive DVD using software solution but they saw samples and felt 30 frames direct NTSC transfer looked better than converting that source to 24fps using Apples Final Cut Pro.

Now that's an offer we should not let pass.
Some points:
- If you can't get the negative, can you get a good quality
positive made from the camera negative? Or did you mean
you can not get the internegative from which release
prints are made? Or were release prints for 'your films'
all made from the camera negative?
- In what format is the NTSC that is compressed with MPEG-
2 if it's not coming from an intermediate tape?
- Why is there any conversion from NTSC 60i to 24fps an
option at all? If the NTSC 60i has the correct 2:3
pulldown there is nothing at all that needs to be done
but putting it on the DVD with the pulldown intact,
either in a progressive way with proper flags so the
player creates the pulldown from 48 stored fields, or
interlaced with 60 stored fields (wasteful, but has
same end effect). Preferably with 48 stored fields and
correct flags so progressive players make a clean picture
without analysing actual fields (which requires built in
Faroudja chips or similar technology). Apple software
fiddling with fields can only make it worse and improve
nothing. NTSC is an interlaced format with 60 fields by
definition. These fields must come from film as the
pulldown defines. Any further fiddling (averaging etc.)
is a big NO NO for quality DVDs.
- Also, have edge enhancement turned off and digital noise
reduction as well (unless it's very high quality, but it
never is from Indian shops (and from others as well, most
of the time))
- You need more technical information -> e-mail me in
private.
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Shahran Sunny Audit
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The DVD shots here do show pixilation, but this is due to the sample DVD-5 used as a preview test disc for me to look at.

I have been assured that the final version will look a whole lot better....
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ali
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Shahran Sunny Audit also provided a sample to commentary track on the DVD :thumbs: grab the mp3 from here;

Sample commentary from Kaaka Kaaka

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Looks good! I can't wait to see this movie in DTS. :cool:
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