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armaan
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Indeed Arsh, very hard to narrow it down to 10 songs... but then Bhaskar will complain its too hard to choose from 100 titles!!
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armaan
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So Arsh Miyan, which song was it from Karamyogi (1978) that you liked?
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Yaar, I cant vividly remember, remind me? if u can? thnx
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armaan
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Well, I'm sad enough to be remember everything ...! The only song featured on Reena Roy is Ek Baat Kahoon Main Sajna, Samaj Kar Tujhe Apna.... All the other songs are featured on Rekha, as she reveals her 1970s fat!

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Zoran009
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Thats it" ek baat kahoun maen sajna, tumko maen samajh kar apna, dil chahey tere sang sang rehna, yeh baat kissi se na kehna"

I can sing it too..LOL
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armaan
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Has anyone seen the prints Aasha, Apnapan, Arpan and Aadmi Khilona Hai released by Shemaroo?



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Zoran009
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Nope, will wait for BEI>>
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armaan I had a look Jail Yatra and was very disappointed with the quality. I noticed you gave this rating a "good transfer". The source used was poor and badly worn, image is blurred at times, comparing this to Bezubaan this transfer is awful at best l would rate this below average. Do take an other look again :D
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armaan
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Mr007, Having reviewed Jail Yatra again, it does appear to be flawed in the ways you mention, although eros have known to done worse! Unfortunately, Bezubaan is not perfect either, especially those huge white irremovable subtitles. I think print imperfections sometime grow on to you though repeat viewings ....

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Bezubaan for EROS standard had an excellent transfer, Naukar Biwi Ka is in the same category as Jail Yatra with the same problems plagueing it. However, on the back cover is this disclaimer " As no original masters were available,... the sound and video available is from the best sources..." You can imagine the results! Sanam Teri Kasam from BaBa is a total disaster and worst than a VHS! :D
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armaan
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The problem is if you define relatively acceptable transfers like Naukar Biwi Ka and Sanam Teri Kasam as total disaster, how would you describe prints of films like Dushman (1971) which is barely visible, or Shalimar (1978) which is barely audible?

Indeed, Sanam Teri Kasam is like a video print, but its still better than some of the other Baba titles that I have seen. Naukar Biwi Ka and Jail Yatra seem quite nice during the song sequences but have flaws in other parts, but still better than many Eros dvds. Have you seen Kasauti (1974) or Prem Geet (1981)? Now, thats what I call disaster... And, there is a significant difference in quality between these prints and the Reena Roy's films that I commented on.

I am not saying that I am happy with the quality of Eros or Baba titles, but I dont find it helpful either when practically all their titles are written off as 'disaster'. In the absence of alternatives, a more REALISTIC and comparative assessment of what is CURRENTLY AVAILABLE would be more helpful...



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Hmm.. lets see I said " Naukar Biwi Ka is in the same category as Jail Yatra " and in a different sentence " Sanam Teri Kasam from BaBa is a total disaster and worst than a VHS! " Also in earlier post I rated Jail Yatra below average! Now there should be no confusion. Let me continue to say I do agree with you on Zahkmee and Bezubaan which are excellent tranfers and will add Jangal Mein Mangal to that list. :D

I have not seen Prem Geet as yet, I do have it though and will make it my top priority to view it. Kasuti and Sanam Teri Kasam are on par, the source used for both are decent yeilding to semi good images. The colors are inconsistent more so in Kasuti. However,excessive use of DNR causing blurred or delayed movements giving way to annoyance, reminds of Bemisaal! Shalimar suffers from a different problem and nothing like Kasuti or Sanam Teri Kasam Looks like sombody copied over a VHS about ten times then transferred whatever signal was left to DVD. Armaan not all BaBa 's or Eros Titles are disasters and I never alluded to that! In fact a couple of BaBa's title comes to mind that have excellent transfer Yeh Vaada Raha AND Haathi Mere Saathi, it so happens that both are my favourites and I am sure there a lot more that I can't remember. I am not in the habit of comparing one label over the other. I do, however, compare different products within the same label for consistency. :D
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JamesBond

From a technical perspective, it seems you know what you are talking about and I largely agree with you. But it's important not to lose sight of the fact that opinions on dvds print transfers are subjective, just as opinion on the quality of the film's contents.

This is demonstrated by the fact that a respected member of the forum, within this thread, has referred to Zakhmee as 'no good', whereas you and I describe it as 'excellent'! It appears different transfer problems bother different people to different extent. For example, I can forgive the print imperfections in Naukar Biwi Ka, but cannot tolerate the irremovable subtitles in Bezubaan. Even the vertical movement, flicking or jumping in Hrishikesh Mukherjee's movies, released by DEI, is never criticised but bothers me.

I have been reading your post over and over again to verify that you meant Yeh Vaada Raha (1982), released by Baba, is an 'excellent' transfer. I have been avoiding that dvd as previous threads describe it as the worst ever. I seen a clip of it in a trailer and it was awful! Could you confirm if this is a good transfer, as I want to buy the title.

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But it's important not to lose sight of the fact that opinions on dvds print transfers are subjective, just as opinion on the quality of the film's contents.


armaan you are so right and I agree 100%! Before I answer your question on Yeh Vaada Raha, let me explain the method I use to rate a dvd. Firstly, I try to avoid comparison between two labels for obvious reasons. Take for example, the worst DEI/BEI which I may rate as poor, and given the same quality on a different label such as BABA, I would rate it as excellent In other words I have different standards for different labels and as you know its very rare that you might find two labels on par! Every label have their expectations and limitations, once we understand that then we can then be as object or subjective to that particular brand to our hearts content.

So said, for Yeh Vaada Raha, as I mentioned I am partial to this movie and love the sound tract. The source used is not the greatest, yet not bad for Baba standard, as you may well know they make no attempt to restore or clean whatever prints they get their hands on. Expect slight wear and blemishes, the color at most is very good and the images are sharp. Use of DNR is evident but not as pronounced as let say Sanam Teri Kasam, had DEI/BEI put out something like this I would call it crap and a disaster! Understanding BaBa's limitation, I would therefore rate this as excellent . The bottom line is understanding the capabilities of any given label and establishing a standard for them. :D Sincerely hope you get an understanding of what I am talking about! :D
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I think I will take your word for it and buy Yeh Vaada Raha ...at least, I won't have to wait forever for BEI to release it!

We have digressed from the theme of this thread (Reena Roy in Lakshmi), but can you explain technical terms like DNR and how it effects picture and sound quality in a dvd?
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