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Kishi6406
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Bottom line is right now, we shouldn't just have the best film to go to the Oscars, as well, we should have films in a different language, and show that India has a different variety of films, some with quality, some are just bad! I think the international audience would enjoy a Tamil or Telugu film. They put a lot into their films, and it shows. Most Hindi film directors make it obvious their in it for the money!
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I saw City of God today. It is an excellent film that is sure to get an Oscar nomination. There are no contrivances in the story and all the drama springs from the characters' personalities and natural developments in the plot. The story is extremely gripping and never seems for a moment false or calculated.
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all hail the film b!tch (TFE) no???

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everyone else, if you don't understand - i'm talking about his ""source""

Boy! nothing gets by you eh! dograk :devil:

DragunR2 wrote:
I saw City of God today. It is an excellent film that is sure to get an Oscar nomination. There are no contrivances in the story and all the drama springs from the characters' personalities and natural developments in the plot. The story is extremely gripping and never seems for a moment false or calculated.

Thanks for the feedback. I will likely check this film out when it comes on DVD.

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Bottom line is right now, we shouldn't just have the best film to go to the Oscars, as well, we should have films in a different language, and show that India has a different variety of films, some with quality, some are just bad! I think the international audience would enjoy a Tamil or Telugu film. They put a lot into their films, and it shows. Most Hindi film directors make it obvious their in it for the money!

The Oscars are not a parade of language and culture for different countries. They are about good films. Also (I'll say this again), Chennai has been the home ground for the committee that chooses films for the Oscars - and they have repeatedly submitted inane nonsense like Jeans.

Look at this and tell me if it doesn't make your head hang in shame :bangbang:

PRESS TRUST OF INDIA
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CHENNAI, Oct 31: Jeans the Tamil feature film, which stars former Miss World Aishwarya Rai, has been selected as the Indian nomination for an Oscar award by the central committee of Film Federation of India, its producers said today.
Jeans, directed by well-known director Shankar, with music scored by A R Rehman, is among the seven films selected by FFI, the others being three Hindi films, two Telugu films a Bengali film, according to a press release.

Copyright © 1998 Indian Express Newspapers (Bombay) Ltd.
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Kishi, you are south Indian right? :rolleyes:
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http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2002/oct/28dev.htm
The above link is an old rediff article I found which elaborates on previous chosen films to the Oscars and what the FFI does to choose them.

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DragunR2 wrote:
I saw City of God today. It is an excellent film that is sure to get an Oscar nomination. There are no contrivances in the story and all the drama springs from the characters' personalities and natural developments in the plot. The story is extremely gripping and never seems for a moment false or calculated.

Thanks for the feedback. I will likely check this film out when it comes on DVD.

Don't wait for City of God to come out on DVD, go see it in the theater. If it's not playing near you, it is likely to be there soon.

As for South Indian films being better than Hindi films, I don't think so. There are plenty of stupid love stories and action films being made there as well. The only difference is probably that Tamil cinema, and probably South Indian cinema in general, is not that dependent on remaking Hollywood films, though I have seen a few. And as of late, they haven't been remaking a lot of Hindi films either. I've seen quite a few bad Tamil films. Most of Rajinikanth's stuff, for example.

Is there a list of all the films India has submitted to the Oscars?
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Anybody know about a tamil film called 'Kuruthipunal'. I think it was nominated for the Oscars. I heard its a really violent action movie. :cool:
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Kishi, you are south Indian right?


Yes. I do believe that my family came from India to Jamaica from Madras in the 1850's.
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Anybody know about a tamil film called 'Kuruthipunal'. I think it was nominated for the Oscars. I heard its a really violent action movie. :cool:

I think I remember seeing it. I believe it starred Kamal and Nasser. I don't think it had any songs.
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Spike - Yes Kuruthipunal was India's entry for the Oscars that year - it was NOT nominated. Only the Hindi films, Mother India, Salaam Bombay, Lagaan and An Encounter With Faces (short non-Fiction) have been films from India considered worthy of being nominated by non-Indian panels.



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DragunR2
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Spike - Yes Kuruthipunal was India's entry for the Oscars that year - it was NOT nominated. Only the Hindi films, Mother India, Salaam Bombay, Lagaan and An Encounter With Faces (short non-Fiction) have been films from India considered worthy of being nominated by non-Indian panels.

Do you remember if it was a worthy entry? It's been so long since I've seen it that I don't remember if it was good. Must have been better than Jeans, though.
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I can't remember that well but I know it was better than Jeans, no doubt. Almost any film is better than that! It was also one of the first Tamil films in Dolby Stereo Spectral Recording. Another point to note, it is a re-make of Govind Nihlani's 1995 Hindi film, Drohkaal. I don't think the Academy accepts re-makes, does it?
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If youve seen KM you'll know that its a Good film but not a great film. IMO, Roja and Bombay were much better. Even 'Chor Chor' was better, I think.

Agree 100% with the comments about KM, but disagree that BOMBAY or ROJA were better. KM was less pretentious than the other two, IMHO.

But I maintain Mani Rathnam's best work is his very first film PALLAVI, ANU PALLAVI. It was a fine piece of writing accompanied by some really fine craftsmanship. Its a pity they dont have a DVD of the same.

As far as the other arguments about South Indian films being better or worse than the Hindi counterparts, it really is unfair to judge. For a person that does not speak any of the South Indian languages it would be impossible to judge the quality of a film when all he does is depend on subtitles. I know the subtitles I have seen of some of these movies has sucked big time. KANDUKONDIAN KANDUKONDIAN is a fine example of a terrific movie with bad subtitles.

Some of the Southie films have been truly path breaking, based as they were on literature emanating from out of there. I have seen a few Kannada films that were truly fabulous in their stories that have no parallel in the Hindi film industry eg ONDAANONDU KAALADALLI(Girish Karnad) is an action film based on an Indian martial art which has nothing to compare with from Bollywood. Perhaps it would have made its mark had it been sent to the Oscars that year but then there is no strong lobby in Bangalore to pitch their case, so that shall have to simply rest. Puttanna Kanagal made some really daring films in his times, dealing with intensely controversial and mature subjects eg RANGANAYAKI (dealing with the Oedipus complex) and NAAGARA HAAVU (remade badly into Hindi as ZAHREELA INSAAN). Recently Rituparno Ghosh's UTSAB was another great example of a movie made on a contemporary topic rather well.

Unfortunately the Hindi film industry inspite of the monies they make are loathe to experiment with truly offbeat subjects. And it is not as if the audiences would not embrace a good story. Remember ARDHA SATYA had beaten even COOLIE at the box office at the time of its release. The industry is full of baniyas and serves them right when their stupid movies flop.

All said and done good movies will be good regardless of the language they are made in, for the story they are trying to tell will always shine through.



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Devdas failed where Lagaan triumphed

Priyanka Nair in Mumbai | February 12, 2003 12:49 IST


Financier Bharat Shah's $3 million didn't help Devdas secure a nomination in the foreign films category for the 75th Academy Awards.

Sanjay Leela Bhansali's film had grandeur but it was still the story of a loser, unlike last year's Best Foreign Film nominee Lagaan, with its David triumphing over Goliath theme. Oscar voters are known to favour triumph tales.

Last year, Lagaan secured a nomination thanks to Aamir Khan's tenacity. The producer-actor persuaded several score voters to watch his movie. Devdas had 55 screenings before the nominations were announced. Shah apparently failed to get his cast -- Shah Rukh Khan, Madhuri Dixit and Aishwarya Rai -- and director Bhansali to promote the film, and spent $3 million on marketing it to Oscar voters.

When news of Devdas failing to make the Oscars shortlist broke, Bhansali and Shah Rukh were unavailable for comment. Only Jackie Shroff, who played Chunnilal in the film, spoke, saying, "Dukh hua, but we have BAFTA and many other festivals. We are not losing hope."

Devdas was among BAFTA's Top Five films this year. Time magazine's Top Ten Films list had Devdas at the No 4 slot.
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Ab Bhansali kya bolega? Kuch bolne ka raha nahin. Mujhe yaad hain ki jab pehle pehle khabar aaya ke Devdas Oscars ke liye bhej rahe the, thab Bharat Shah ne bola ki hum zaroor Oscar ko jeetke hi ghar aayenge. Ab vo bhi kya bolega?

I agree with you about Pallavi, Anu Pallavi. Most of his earlier films are really superb, especially 'Agni Natchatiram' which had a stunning soundtrack (and also my fave actress at the time, Amala), 'Anjali' and 'Mouna Ragam'. Lets not forget 'Nayagan' either, Kamal's best role to date, IMO.

By the way, AYNGARAN's Tamil DVD subtitles are a sight to be seen to be believed. Its HORRENDOUS. Their job for Kandukondain is pitiable, KM is no better. Even though PYRAMID DVDs have worse picture quality, the subtitles are EXCELLENT, especially for 'Iruvar' and 'Roja'.
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