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RNJBOND
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2003 7:40 am 
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So after seeing Kaante and really reflecting on it, I'm wondering how you all percieved the characters behind the screen in Kaante. So here are a few questions (my answers come later):
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1. What do you think Major's background is? Why is his nickname "Major"?

2. Could you sympathize with Sunil Shetty's character or do you condemn him for even joining a life of crime?

3. How does this movie reflect your perception of criminals in general? Are they a mixture of good and bad that society turns bad or are they all completely bad?

4. One issue brought up in the film was ethnic profiling. To what extent do you think this truly reflects society today? (Especially in America).

5. How do you think it is that Lucky Ali is narrating the entire film?

6. In Major's situation, without total knowledge, would you have trusted Lucky Ali?

7. Was Ma..ma..mahesh's character truly deranged? Or was he just another bad man?

(Btw, I realize this is a Kaante topic, but it's an analysis, not reviews or critiques, so I think it warrants a new topic).
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I have another one...why the hell was Sanjay Dutt faking that he could not understand English?
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1. Maybe they call him Major because he's a seasoned veteran. Or he might have an army background.

2. Could you refresh me on what Sunil Shetty's background was in the film?

3. My perception of criminals is that some were driven to it because of poverty or whatever reason. Then there are some who do it for the thrill, and some who steal to buy drugs or booze. One can't generalize though. All the characters in Kaante had some sob story behind them that led them to crime, which I felt was kind of corny. How many criminals have such backgrounds, I don't know, but it didn't work for the film IMO. The film wasn't supposed to be a deep exploration of why criminals are criminals.

4. Immigrants from certain countries into America have been targeted for different treatment. New immigrants, not ones that have been here awhile. Even though everyone is searched at the airport, I'm sure the males who look Middle Eastern are looked at a little closer.

5. Lucky Ali's narrating the film is meant to throw people off from the end, though if you've seen "Reservoir Dogs," you would immediately know this. Damon Wayans narrated from the dead in Spike Lee's "Bamboozled."

7. Who knows. The movie is not psychologically complex.
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RNJBOND wrote:
4. One issue brought up in the film was ethnic profiling. To what extent do you think this truly reflects society today? (Especially in America).

If the movie was set in the UK, i reckon it would have been more realistic!! The Asians in UK are much more psychopathic and would do somet stupid like rob a bank... Does anyone remember the HEathrow Airport Heist which involved Millions of Pounds.. Yep u guessed it, they were asian!! :D
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1. What do you think Major's background is? Why is his nickname "Major"?
Maybe because he's the oldest and possibly wisest (although the cop gets the better of him) so therefore the 'leader' of the group of soldiers - being the others (or as Q Taratino says he met fans who thought the word Reservoir Dogs really meant Reserve-war Dogs) so he is referred to as major. Or maybe he had a past in the Indian Army, but I think this is less likely.

2. Could you sympathize with Sunil Shetty's character or do you condemn him for even joining a life of crime?
No I couldn't sympathise with him or any of the gang, apart from Bali (who even though having a retarded sister doesn't at all seem the responsible type). Sunil Shetty's excuse was just weak.

3. How does this movie reflect your perception of criminals in general? Are they a mixture of good and bad that society turns bad or are they all completely bad?
They're criminals so they are all completely bad for whatever reason. Some may be likeable criminals (due to their personality) but at the end of the day they are the bad guys and they wouldn't hestitate to kill you or your loved ones, so why even try to make them look good or feel sorry for them. The reasons for these guys turning to a life of crime in Kaante was not at all convincing.

4. One issue brought up in the film was ethnic profiling. To what extent do you think this truly reflects society today? (Especially in America).
Indians!...the bad guys? In America? with the cops always after them?!? Seems very unreal! The funny bit was when the white cop said something like: "I'll get those pesky Indians"...which sounded like a line out of Scooby Doo. More likely in the UK you'd have Indians robbing a bank, but still not as brutal or violent enough like they were in the film.

5. How do you think it is that Lucky Ali is narrating the entire film?
It must be his ghost, since he's apparently dead. You can work out who the cop was very early on in the film.

6. In Major's situation, without total knowledge, would you have trusted Lucky Ali?
No. But what made him trust lucky ali, was the fact that he got shot by the cops...cops wouldn't shoot one of their own.

7. Was Ma..ma..mahesh's character truly deranged? Or was he just another bad man?
He was both deranged and a bad man.
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everyone here noticed all sorts of mistakes/confusions in the movie....but have u ever wondered this: everytime when bollywood or hollywood or just make it any producer from india makes a movie that is in USA, you ever noticed, people are speaking british english :) .....since this movie was totally in america, how come even the cops speaking british english yo??? there accent is totally different....i dont think americans speak like that.....they always mess up on that.....i find this very funny....even when you look at the characters (white people) you can tell they are either from england or any other country that speaks british english heheheheheh :)
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faddy wrote:
RNJBOND wrote:
4. One issue brought up in the film was ethnic profiling. To what extent do you think this truly reflects society today? (Especially in America).

If the movie was set in the UK, i reckon it would have been more realistic!! The Asians in UK are much more psychopathic and would do somet stupid like rob a bank... Does anyone remember the HEathrow Airport Heist which involved Millions of Pounds.. Yep u guessed it, they were asian!! :D

Is there an Indian mafia in the UK?
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Okay, my answers:
1. What do you think Major's background is? Why is his nickname "Major"?
I think his background was probably in the military, and he probably was a somewhat high-ranking officer. Additionally, look at this experience with handguns, showing that he probably was in the military. He probably ended up being a traitor or something of the likes that keeps "Major" as an ironic nickname for him.

2. Could you sympathize with Sunil Shetty's character or do you condemn him for even joining a life of crime?
Yes, I could. It was quite upsetting seeing him and Malaika Arora and the situations they faced. I think there would be much better ways, but given how he had just lost his job, what other way did he have out?

3. How does this movie reflect your perception of criminals in general? Are they a mixture of good and bad that society turns bad or are they all completely bad?
I think it's necessary for everyone to have a bad streak in them. Even someone as innocent as Andy had a bad streak (remember seeing him hack the ATM) as well as a lack of will to work properly.

4. One issue brought up in the film was ethnic profiling. To what extent do you think this truly reflects society today? (Especially in America).
I still remember the day of September 11th. Immediately after it happened, people blamed Hamas, then moved on to various other Muslim extremist groups. Then I remembered the day of the Oklahoma City Bombing which was exactly the same thing; too bad it turned out to be a white man. I definitely think there's an element of profile messing up people's lives.

5. How do you think it is that Lucky Ali is narrating the entire film?
I've been wondering this... he's supposedly dead. Perhaps he didn't really die? I really don't know.

6. In Major's situation, without total knowledge, would you have trusted Lucky Ali?
No. Up till a certain point, yes, but when the evidence was presented, it's definitely a point to stop trusting him.

7. Was Ma..ma..mahesh's character truly deranged? Or was he just another bad man?
I think he was turned deranged by circumstances. On the inside, he's a softer person who cares for others, but on the outside, he has no other way of facing society. He has a bad repu-station.

Btw, just to bring a point... no South Asians in the US are not really treated like this. But I can bet a lot of Arabs are.
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RNJBOND wrote:
Btw, just to bring a point... no South Asians in the US are not really treated like this. But I can bet a lot of Arabs are.

Soon after 9/11, some Indian who owned a convenience store got threats from a guy telling him to close his shop. If I remember correctly, he did close up. But it really is the Muslim community who is taking most of the brunt. Someone about a year ago threw a Molotov cocktail into a mosque in a city near me.



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DragunR2 wrote:
RNJBOND wrote:
Btw, just to bring a point... no South Asians in the US are not really treated like this. But I can bet a lot of Arabs are.

Soon after 9/11, some Indian who owned a convenience store got threats from a guy telling him to close his shop. If I remember correctly, he did close up. But it really is the Muslim community who is taking most of the brunt. Someone about a year ago threw a Molotov cocktail into a mosque in a city near me.

My friend's barber is an Arab Muslim. After 9/11, his shop was sacked and everything smashed... he reported tihs to the police, and all the police could say was "Put up an American flag".

"You're either with us or with them"

It's starting to sound like the US flag is the new Nazi emblem.
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