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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:59 am 
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ha ha!! It is always amusing in hindifilms, when actors utter their diologues in english or try to be hype, they make sure to translate it for their other actors, or viewers or directors to make sure, every body got it!! or there could be sub titles on every diologue uttered in different language!! keep checking!! :stupid: :baaa:


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I did watch Kaante over the weekend and came out disappointed – call it expectation, hype or whatever. The film isn’t bad – they’ll be many takers who love this film – only way I can describe it is that its a boyz film, the same way boys need toys (gadgets to be had but serve no real purpose what so ever) – Kaante is boyz film that doesn’t make much rational sense but is made to please the no-brainer audience. Fundamental plot flaws ruin it – if that matters in a movie like this – like the reasons for each of them to carry out the robbery. The actual execution is very stylish and pretty exciting to watch even though predicable for obvious reasons. Agree with most of Arsh’s email from Ali Ikram.

The real saving grace of the film is undoubtedly Mahesh Manjrekar – the man over shadows legends like Amitabh Bachchan and Sanjay Dutt – a genuine show stealer. If anything Kaante works because of Mahesh Manjrekar and the character he plays. Worth a watch despite it (many) flaws just to see him in action.

The cinema I watched couldn’t have played it on worse screen. It was a small room – my attic seems bigger! And sound was poor stereo at best if not mono – no surround effects can be heard. The cinema/print is at fault rather than Kaante. The film was subtitled – not literal subtitles but they worked very well – hope the DVD makers keep the same subtitles – and not go anal and censor/make their own words up :rolleyes: - like they usually do.

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Times Of India Headline:
KAANTE takes UK, USA Box Office by storm.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll....2254137

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I watched KAANTE at Albion Cinema in Toronto's west end. Since no other mainstream theatres released this was the only option, and I did not want to wait until "good" quality DVD was released.

The sound at this place is pathetic as it is, however KAANTE had it worse than any previous movie. For one, there was absolutely no surround at all. Absolutely NO BASS. as if it was turned all the way down. My PC speakers are better than the ones at this theatre.

The dialogues very hardly audible. I mean, if someone is eating popcorn behind me, I wouldn't get the words correctly. My question is .... is this KAANTE sound problem or the theatre system?

Before the show, I was talking to staff and they said they do have DTS system in place now, however this movie does not have DTS track. He ensured me that the surround is active. I thought it was just a waste of time to watch it here. I am waiting for a good quality DVD to release.

Anyone else who had similar experience either at Albion or elsewhere, please reply.


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sorry buddy..methinks u going a little deaf :D ..albion was fine for me


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In absence of DTS soundtrack, equipped on /with the print, in a DTS equipped cinema, u r left with dolby surround!!default!


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gkoshy wrote:
sorry buddy..methinks u going a little deaf :D ..albion was fine for me

um no he's not going deaf!!

Sunish, I saw the movie at Woodside, which has a similar audio setup (I saw it in cinema #1, the biggest theatre). And the film sounded really dull, very poor mono. There was no stereo separation - forget surround - and there was NO BASS what so ever. I mean i heard more bass in my car during the rama re song - and this is coming from a cassette tape not cd.

The action scenes were well done, but i wasn't unable to hear anything spectacular due to the poor surround usage (which was NONE).

I'm really hoping that this movie will come to decent theatres on Friday. I'm taking some non-indian friends to see it, and it would be a real shame if they go see their first theatre indian movie at Woodside or Albion.


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Sanjay wrote:
I am surprised you guys have still not figured out how to look at or read reviews by Indian critics. What you should do is maybe read the first few lines, then skip the main portion of the review (actually a description of the script itself, if the film had one in the first place) and read the last paragraph.
Having said that I would like to add that there is absolutely not one movie critic/reviewer in India who is actually qualified to be reviewing films.

Exactly why I don't read reviews of Hindi films. The reviewers thinks telling the whole story and script with the twist is a proper review.


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I watched Kaante in Dolby Surround despite the theater being equipped in DTS and the manager promising to show in "digital". Kaante was pretty depressing for me...now was it even shown anywhere in DTS or Dolby Digital?


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yes i saw it at WARNER WEST END in leicester sq . :D


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Alright, listen up guys. Finally my views on 'Kaante'. Just got done watching the film about an hour ago and let me say I was quite pleasantly surprised. Not because the film was great or excellent, but because the film unlike almost all Sanjay Gupta films was not crap. It is definately his best film yet, and yes I know that does not say much.

To sum up the film, as per Bollywood standards, the film is quite good and is definately better than most of the recent bollywood crap, although since the film is primarily made and produced in the US with hollywood technicians I am not sure if it can really be termed as a bollywood product. I am also not sure how much credit for this film Sanjay Gupta should get, but since he has gotten the discredit for all his other crap I figure it would only be fair to give him credit for this decent effort, albeit with a lot of help from hollywood.

The acting overall is quite good, with Mahesh Manjrekar stealing the show from all. Other than him, the performances of Amitabh and Sunjay Dutt are good, Suniel Shetty is okay and so is Lucky Ali in a small role. Kumar Gaurav on the other hand is bad and the actress who plays his wife is atrocious. Kumar Gaurav being Sunjay Dutt's brother in law, I can still understand why he was int he film, but why in the world was she chosen for the part? The film drags in parts and Malaika Arora also cannot act to save her life, nor can she really dance. More importantly her whole role and the songs picturised on her, were not only an irritant and unneccesary but they also spoiled the flow and tempo of the film. In parts the director becomes obsessive with stylizing his shots and the whole pathan episode was nothing short of tacky and absolutely unneccesary. The technical aspects of the film are all above par for an Indian film, although anything less would have been unnacceptable considering the budgets and the hollywood technicians involvement with the project. The music is quite good except for the fact that most of the songs are totally unneccesary in the film, also the Mahive song is totally out of place in the setting it is picturised in. Another thing, just as in a lot of other scenes, there is absolutely no justification for the characters to speak in Hindi, there is no logic behind why she would be singing a HIndi/Punjabi song in a dance club in LA.

To sum up, overall the film is quite watchable and entertaining, specially due to the wonderful performanceby Mahesh Manjarekar who in my opinion keeps the film together. Without Mahesh's character and his performance, the film might not have been even half as entertaining. Mahesh is definately a far better actor than he is a director, maybe he should consider a career change. The film is definately worth the price of the ticket and in the midst of totally atrocious films from bollywood it is a great relief. So if nayone has any doubts about seeing the film, my suggestion is, do not hesitate to go see and enjoy the film in a movie theater and then later on enjoy it again on DVD. I just hope there is a decent release of the film on DVD.

PS: The one thing that really irked me about the film was the attempt (so what's new?), as in all bollywood films, to justify the characters actions and to try and get the audience to sympathise for the characters. Why can't bollywood just let a bad guy be a bad guy without justifying his reasons for being bad.


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Sanjay, i met a few people who kinda were irritated with foul language!! how much, more than other films out there!!?

sunny utters kutto, kameeno all the time!!
his takiya kalam for badies!


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Review @ Screen India

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arsh wrote:
Sanjay, i met a few people who kinda were irritated with foul language!! how much, more than other films out there!!?

sunny utters kutto, kameeno all the time!!
his takiya kalam for badies!

Yaar in my opinion people who are bothered by such things should not be watching the film in the first place. The foul language used in the film is quite appropriate to the characters portrtayed in the film. Infact it would seem rather fake if the characters did not use foul language. Quite honestly in my opinion the language is quite timid compared to what one hears in real life all the time and definately so when it comes to charaters such as the film portrays. Not a single abuse is used in the film, you tell me if that is normal but then again the director had to keep in mind the stupid Indian cencor board, who by the way have deleted some scenes due to language.


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http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2002/dec/27dire10.htm

Should be educating :D


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