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dograk
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hmm checked the specs on imdb..

wow the impressive hollywood cast:
-a producer by the name of Lawrence Mortorff who last made a stinker of a christian movie, and made a movie called CHILDREN OF THE CORN 2: THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE...
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-cinematography by Kurt Brabbee, who has made such classic *semi-porn* like VIRTUAL SEDUCTION.... :D
-special effects by Frank Ceglia who has made such greats like EVIL ALIEN CONQUERORS (????what the hell??)... :D

and on and on and on...

i know i'm being harsh on the movie - but a movie whose whole USP is that has been made by *HOLLYWOOD* people...well that's kind of pathetic - have indian movies become so low that we need to sell them based on the technicalities??? and then use C or D grade technical people?

why not just make an indian movie with indian technical guys that is a take on resevoir dogs?
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...show half naked girls in Mohabbatein. Every producer/actor says their film/role is different from the norm when the movie is about to release but we get the same shoddy cliche treatment all the time. Granted Kaante is no Reservoir Dogs. In fact the shoot out is copied from Heat, the jail sequence from The Usual Suspects and the cop among thieves angle from Reservoir Dogs. But its done well. The "Traffic" like feel to every scene and technical brilliance combined with some fine performances is great. I'll take it over Dil To Pagal Hai or K3G any day of the month and twice on Sundays. I'm sorry but maybe the talent is in India but it isn't coming forward and I want to see some decent Indian movies before I grow old and don't have the time or something. Kaante is the best they can do, so be it. It's nice to see the combination of Indian actors with hollywood technicians whether they are B or C grade rather than the crappy Indian technicians who can't even organize themselves and make movies on budget or in a timely way.

HAHAHAHAHAHHA
i'm sorry but that is a ridiculous statement!

you talk about half naked girls in Mohabbatein? what were you doing when you were watching Kaante and its innumberable songs came on - with their 99% naked girls? what is Mahi Ve showing - just gandi goris strip dancing...and a dirty indian leading them...

and as for india's bad talent - there is a lot of good talent in india. did you see the cinematography and the art direction in shakthi (esp the desert sands..)? easily international level!

btw when you talking about crappy indians who can't organize themselves or their budget - HAHAHA - that's exactly what happened in Kaante with their FIRANGEEs! look at the delays for it - those deserve to go in the dictionary as the definition of disorganization....and as for budget - the less said the better. in case you didn't know, kaante went way overbudget and because of this *organization*, its stars had to take payment cuts!!

so i think you went way off with your OWN comparisons...
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Comparing Kaante to Reservoir Dogs is like comparing apples and oranges. Reservoir Dogs didn't need or warrant songs, an interval, a 2.5 hour movie or actresses. Kaante has all that because its made for an Indian audience. I'll take Hollywood's B-grade technicians over India's A grade crap anytime. All bollywood does is let us down over and over again, they espouse credibility and sticking to the roots and show half naked girls in Mohabbatein. Every producer/actor says their film/role is different from the norm when the movie is about to release but we get the same shoddy cliche treatment all the time. Granted Kaante is no Reservoir Dogs. In fact the shoot out is copied from Heat, the jail sequence from The Usual Suspects and the cop among thieves angle from Reservoir Dogs. But its done well. The "Traffic" like feel to every scene and technical brilliance combined with some fine performances is great. I'll take it over Dil To Pagal Hai or K3G any day of the month and twice on Sundays. I'm sorry but maybe the talent is in India but it isn't coming forward and I want to see some decent Indian movies before I grow old and don't have the time or something. Kaante is the best they can do, so be it. It's nice to see the combination of Indian actors with hollywood technicians whether they are B or C grade rather than the crappy Indian technicians who can't even organize themselves and make movies on budget or in a timely way.

Why compare Kaante to films like Mohabbatein, K3G, and DTPH? I thought you were blaming me for making wrong comparisons.

I will be surprised if Kaante is better than our good films in that genre like Satya, Company, Parinda, or even Aankhen to an extent.

And as for the technicians factor, if you cop out and start going to Hollywood, how's that gonna help the industry grow. I doubt many Hollywood cinematographers could do what Santosh Sivan (Dil Se) and Ashok Mehta (Moksha) can do with 1/20th of their budget. So the talent is there.



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Mr_Khiladi
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Just one more point. Everybody knows that there is an undercover cop who plays spoilsport. But take this - Everybody die towards the end. Except one. Guess who?.. Think again. He's not the cop. Then who? Hey, a tricky one, right? (Self-service man, go watch it for yourself).

Well for those who've seen Reservoir Dogs that doesn't help as they've already mentioned who dies and one who escapes. In RD, we know who's the one who escapes and I think throughout Kaante you'd be able to work out who plays the equivelent escapee. (I won't mention the name of the character who escapes for those who haven't seen RD)

However, some people didn't realise that the person they thought has escaped in RD could've been killed in the end. If you listen carefully just after Mr _ could've also been killed, I think Tarantino left that in for the audience to make up their mind. I wonder if that is observed in the ending of Kaante? I'll soon find out...
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Mr_Khiladi
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Sorry, above post was incomplete...it did't make sense. The 2nd para should read:

However, some people didn't realise that the person they thought has escaped in RD could've been killed in the end. If you listen carefully just after Mr .... leaves the warehouse, there is a shootout with the police and it's possible that Mr .... could've also been killed. I think Tarantino left that in for the audience to make up their own minds about what happens to him. I wonder if that is observed in the ending of Kaante? I'll soon find out...
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A very RECOMENDED review by indolink.com:

Kaante

Producer: Sanjay Gupta & Raju Sharad Patel - White Feather Films
Director: Sanjay Gupta
Starring: Amitabh Bachchan, Sanjay Dutt, Sunil Shetty, Kumar Gaurav, Mahesh Manjrekar, Lucky Ali, Isha Koppikar, and Malaika Arora Khan
Music: Anand Raaj Anand, Lucky Ali, & Vishal-Shekhar
Lyrics: Dev Kohli, Anand Raaj Anand, Lucky Ali, & Vishal

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Genre: Action
Recommended Audience: Adult
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Released on: December 20, 2002
Approximate Running Time: 150 Minutes Reviewed by: Suraj Das
Reviewer's Rating: 8 out of 10
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Cumulative Rating: 9.33 out of 10
Rated by: 56 unique users

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After almost a year of delays, Sanjay Gupta´s long-awaited Kaante has finally hit the big screen. The question audiences have is obvious; was it worth the wait? And the answer is a resounding yes! Kaante offers an irresistibly fun movie-going experience.

But even though Kaante is highly derivative cinema, it represents a step in the right direction for Bollywood. The technical finesse featured in the film is almost on par with the average Hollywood feature, and hopefully Indian producers will take notice and try to emulate the level of style and control over ambience exhibited here. The plot is unorthodox as well, and if this movie fares well at the box office, it may pave the way for future nonconformist ventures by Indian filmmakers.

Overall, Kaante is well worth the wait and a must-watch for those who have kept their faith in Indian cinema despite a truly lackluster year. This is a bombastic, furious picture that has only one goal; that is, to thrill audiences and keep them glued till the last frame. And the film manages to accomplish this feat remarkably well. Kaante is everything a masala movie should be; it packs the whole smorgasbord of Bollywood conventions - romance, dances, glamour, comedy, drama - into one fun-filled, action-packed, polished joy-ride of a film.


****So go ENJOY THE WILD RIDE!!

http://www.planetbollywood.com/Film/Kaante/
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i thought the film was very good for an INDIAN film !!!
it was more of a comedy version of RD but a very good one at that !!!
technically & artistically no faults with the film whatsoever every dept in the film making process was spot on and fresh !!!

i just wish that Sanjay Gupta could have changed the ending for obvious reasons those that have seen RD would not be impressed with the ending !!! he had the chance to do one thing different then copying the whole film and he should have done that with the ending!!!

months before the release on the www everyone had some idea who the COP was SG could have just shot that info again and changed it to deceive the audience BUT he chose not to !!!

On a personal note i would have had either SD or MM has the cop because if they had been it would have had that surprise,shocking different ending that i was looking for and for this reason alone i could not give the film 10/10 !!



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dograk
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http://indiafm.com/games/kaante/index.shtml

:stupid: now i see why taran was so agressive in making sure that his name was seen hyping the chances of kaante to the max....
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dograk
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negative review at smashits:
http://ww.smashits.com/index.c....ID=2183
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Sanjay
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I fail to understand why people on this forum and otherwise continue to equate, good technical values, something easily bought with the right budget, and a good film. Sanjay Gupta films have almost always had good technical values, but overall his films have always been trash and he has never made anything even half original. As for my direct comments regarding Kaante, I shall reserve until the time I actually see it, which shouls be sometime after tommorow when I watch Saathiya.
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Zoran009
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u might be right sanjay, I kinda my self was not impressed with AANKHAEN!! either!! but thats me!

AKS, could have been better, but a novice director really handled it very badly,
I always CURSE these remakes! as they spoil the GOOD TASTE that I had for the original!
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here is e mail, i got from m.ali ikram on kaante!! he is affiliated with indolink:

**** a spoiler may be included!

From: "M. Ali Ikram" To: "Bollywood Team"
Subject: Kaante - TUTD
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:27:32 -0500


6.9/10 - I can't believe how FORCED and FAKE parts of this movie were.
Yeah, it's certainly watchable, which is why I gave it a passing
numeric
rating, and the performances by five of the "lead six" (Gaurav's
character
was boring) are great, but talk about a FILM that's soooooo desperately
trying to drag itself out to typical Hindi film lengths. This one was
even
worse than Road for pacing. WHAT LONG AND DRAWN OUT BORING SCENES.

Gupta has and always will be a DVD-director. Never seen Reservoir
Dogs, but
I have seen The Usual Suspects (BRILLIANT ORIGINAL MOVIE) and you know
when
Gupta's stealing scenes or trying something original. When he steals,
the
screenplay is coherent and quite often, even taut. But when he's doing
something "original" (aka, the Pathan selling guns on the roof top and
our
lead characters' "patriotism", shooting off guns again on an L.A.
rooftop
without anyone noticing, Andy and his son's park scene, the Malaika
Arora
angle, the ludicrous reason why Indians are targeted by the police,
trying
to justify the deplorable actions of the lead characters with sappy
background stories, etc.) the results are GROAN-WORTHY and LAUGHABLE.
He's
done a far better job ripping off Usual Suspects and Reservoir Dogs,
than he
did with Desperate Measures (Jung), but it's still sad and pathetic.
Malaika's character ruined the Mahive song. How disgusting to see her
gyrate against the pole to such beautiful lyrics. Couldn't they have
given
her a horny tune to do that to instead?
And Gaurav's reel ex-wife has gotta be one of the WORST ACTRESSES
ALIVE.
She was just speed talking her way through the dialogues, with zilch
expressions, no voice modulation and the lamest English AND Hindi
accents
I've heard in ages. U gonna spend a ba-zillion rupees on a movie, and
then
completely ruin a few scenes by getting piss-poor people who can't act
to
save their lives just to save a few bucks?

SPOILER AHEAD...
The song ending of the film was the absolute worst. Like I'm supposed
to
give a shit about these characters right? There was absolutely no
justification for any of them to pull off that heist (they all had
alternatives, like a job at McDonalds ;) so why linger on their fate at
the
end??? The brilliance of a Ratnam or Ramgopal Varma is that they can
make
you feel sorry for a character's circumstances so that when they meet
divine
justice for their bad deeds (i.e. Dil Se, Company and Satya) u feel sad
that
life may not have given them all the positive opportunities they
deserved,
but also relieved that poor paths chosen, will always lead to dire
consequences. Kaante's cinematic ending wants us to feel nothing but
depression and sadness for the fate of piss, poor human beings. I'm
sorry,
but my mind just aint that twisted!!!!
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I have seen a news report earlier about Kaante but they gave it away showing a split-second of 'the cop' wounded. That was enough to spoil it, esp for those who've seen Reservoir Dogs know how it ends. A certain someone on this site gave an indication who the cop was and I wonder why did they have to release that footage to be shown on TV!
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My 10 minute impression on Kaante...

I managed to sneak into the Kaante showroom for 10 minutes while during the intermission of Saathiya last night. And I have to say that I was not impressed from what I saw, the character's kept repeating dialogues in Hindi first than English, which is really stupid and didn't make sense and it also doesn't say much for there characterization. The action sequences looked first-rate, but it doesn't make an impact if the theater this film is showing at doesn't equip to proper surround sound system with DTS or THX sound.

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DVD Collector wrote:
My 10 minute impression on Kaante...

I managed to sneak into the Kaante showroom for 10 minutes while during the intermission of Saathiya last night. And I have to say that I was not impressed from what I saw, the character's kept repeating dialogues in Hindi first than English, which is really stupid and didn't make sense and it also doesn't say much for there characterization. The action sequences looked first-rate, but it doesn't make an impact if the theater this film is showing at doesn't equip to proper surround sound system with DTS or THX sound.

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Well Sanjay Gupta did claim Kaante will be dual language from the start “to be shot in Hindi and English” - so he delivered in the end :laugh:

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