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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 9:16 pm 
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Two Delhi cinema's showing Jo Bole So Nihal were bombed with several seriously hurt. What this world is coming to?


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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 9:50 pm 
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main wohi hoon wrote:
Two Delhi cinema's showing Jo Bole So Nihal were bombed with several seriously hurt. What this world is coming to?

The two cinemas are 'Satyam Cineplex - Patel Nagar' & 'Liberty Cinema - New Rohtak Road'. Satyam Cineplex, a four screen multiplex is the only theater I watch movies at, it is the best movie theater in Delhi and happens to be just under a mile from my house. 'Liberty Cinema', which is one of the better standalone theaters of Delhi also happens to be under 2 miles from my house. By the way the bomb exploded in the restroom of Satyam while at Liberty the bomb exploded in the 'Front Stall', which is the cheapest priced section. In the Satyam blast there are seven injured, while the there is One dead and 42 injured in the Liberty blast. The fact that both theater's were showing 'Jo Bole So Nihaal' is being thought of as the cause of the blasts. Not that there is any reason on earth to justify such an act, but even then, this has got to be the most flimsiest of reasons.


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 12:47 am 
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NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE

my point of view is that this is just ridiculous you see in english movies that they diss their own religion, and techniclly in the movie jbsn they are not dissing it, and i dont get one more thing like for example in a movie like gadar where they are acusuing that the muslims are the "bad people" when we learned in history class that the most gruesome acts were done by the punjabies and you dont see the muslim ppl going to bomb a theaters ( i now they protest) when that is more of a diss then just a tittle of the movie, which does not even diss them, i find this pathetic these ppl who are bombing have nothing to do in their lives :nopity:


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wonderful news for me, as I find all you meat-eaters to be hypocrites. i'm sure 90+% of zulmis are meat eaters, and I personally don't value human life over that of animals.

I too have had many history classes. In the last class I had, the prof was attempting to be PC by suggesting that Islam on it's foundation is a peaceful religion, then later on explained the invasion of Mecca by Mohammed :roll: and for what reason? simply because he was booted out of Mecca due to economical reasons.

I hate people who follow religion blindly. I can respect people if they are true at heart, but if that is the case, then would realize the value of human life is no greater than that of an animal...which in the western philosophies emphasize animal life is a birth right to humans :shock: bashtids

that being said, 90+% of the so called "Victims" are probably meat eaters and they deserve every bit of it! 8) ciao


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:59 am 
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Pav calm down, i wrote "no offence" and the gader thing was an example of how ppl react to movies not history dont get all mad abt it, and btw r u sikh? if so can u pls answer my ? dont sikh eat meat to ( all my sikh friends do)


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 7:50 am 
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i'm not religious, but according to all asian philosophies, humans aren't supposed to eat meat....but "hindus" "sikhs" "budhists" are only hindus/budhists/sikhs by name. thus my statement about respecting people who are true at heart that practice religion. they aren't true at heart, and if they practice these asian philosophies, then they are following them blindly.

I find it silly when people "fast" on certain days. Like "God" approves of them eating meat on XDays & not on XOtherDays. HAHA. Thats following religion blindly. :roll: I just want to smack humans :P

according to mahatma gandhi, humans don't have the digestive system to eat meat. read his book.


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We have a fundamentalist veggie burger on the forums :lol:

I don’t see where this debate is going? What’s the significance of meat eaters got to do with these bomb attacks and the movie 'Jo Bole So Nihaal'? Is the character portrayed by Sunny Deol eating meat when he shouldn’t be? That’s what caused the offence? Some Sheiks I know chose to eat meat other don’t, I thought the freedom of choice was personal and with them and their religion.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:20 am 
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izzy wrote:
i dont get one more thing like for example in a movie like gadar where they are acusuing that the muslims are the "bad people" when we learned in history class that the most gruesome acts were done by the punjabies and you dont see the muslim ppl going to bomb a theaters

I guess that would depend on where you attended history class. The fact of the matter is, that it is silly to blame any ONE religion for what happened during the 'partition'. If anyone ought to be blamed, then it ought to be the British and a few politicians who due to their greed for power were responsible for the biggest movement of human beings accross borders under very trying conditions. It's funny how Indian history books don't tend to rest the blame on any one religious community for the attrocities commited during the 'partition', while 'Canadian' history books on the other hand seem to blame the 'Punjabis'. Well atleast that is how it seems, based on izzy's post.

By the way 'Punjabi' is not a religion and the fact is that there are Muslim Punjabis, Hindu Punjabis, Sikh Punjabis and I am sure there must be some Christian Punjabis too. Punjabis are simply people who originate from 'Punjab', which by the way itself was split between India and Pakistan. The carnage that took place during the partition was committed by Punjabis on both sides, by Punjabi muslims/hindus/sikhs.

PS: Anyone interested in learning a little more about what really happened during the partition from a non biased and simply human viewpoint should watch the movie 'Pinjar'. It is a wonderful film and happens to be one of the most under rated Indian films made in a long time.

Footnote: Post edited to substitute Pakistani with Canadian as 'Izzie's source of history lessons. Excuse my mistake on assuming Izzie was reffering to Pakistani history books.


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:41 am 
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To answer my own question, the title of the movie is what seems to have caused offence;

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Some Sikh groups say the film denigrates their religion by using a Sikh religious chant, Jo Bole So Nihal, which is used in battle or in prayer.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4571987.stm

Although I can see like any other discussions how the aged old partition conflict gets entangled into any debate :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 11:06 am 
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hahahah.. this thread has to be the funniest since the days of me and sknath!!


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Having read the article I could not make any link to Islam or eating meat... How did that get into the equation? :lol:

Also, Izzy's education cannot be based on Pakistani history books... I thought he lives in Canada?


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:16 pm 
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its based on a canadian book i dont even come from pakistan nor my parents
btw, Pav what does meat eating got to do with the bombing?


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:23 pm 
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izzy wrote:
its based on a canadian book i dont even come from pakistan nor my parents


That shows that canda has misguided history books. Can you tell me which text book that was


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:43 pm 
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I guess you all missed the point. That doesn't surprise me very much. I've gotten into discussions regarding this topic with highly educated people. But their perspective is mainly influenced by their environment & how they grew up, rather than what's logical. One went as far as "How do you know they have souls?" not that I brought up "souls" into the discussion. I asked him how he would know that I have a soul, and he responded "because I'm human & I know I have a soul, and I know that you are human so you must have a soul too" not that "souls" are relevant to the topic. it just shows to prove how his religion and the way he was brought up influences his ignorance. His income is nearly 10x as much as mine, but he is 10x the tard that I will ever be. :lol:

The point I was trying to make is, there is no need to get flabbergasted over loss of human life when there are millions of animals being slaughtered for the very pleasure of these humans.

Would you show sympathy towards a criminal? There is always sentiment when some a-hole human gets murdered/raped/robbed but there is never any sympathy towards animal life. Life = Life. The people that got bombed are criminals, and they deserve every bit thats coming to them.

Most people didn't sympathize with Scott Peterson (assuming he killed his pregnant wife), in the same manner I don't sympathize with loss of human life.

I guess I'll be contradicting myself, but I do value life, just not that of ignorant scum. I'm not sad because people die prematurely. I'm sad because people are ignorant.

The current state of India is influenced by history that is well past the years of partition & european ventures into imperialism. It's easy to blame them because that is the PC thing to do. Like the PC thing in america is to blame the "white-man".

I watched Crash over the weekend. Wonderful film about ignorance and racism.

bah, you guys will never understand unless you want to understand. this understanding should come naturally. I'm going to go take a nap :P


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:29 pm 
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FAO OF PAV WHILE U HAVE UR NAP THINK ABOUT THIS ...


let me put it to u this way and this has nothing to do with religon...

say for example u have a baby girl/boy and a pet dog/cat any animal and both the baby and the animal are in a very dangerous life threatning situation it could be anything from sickness or a potential head on car crash u delima is WHO WOULD U SAVE UR BABY OR UR ANIMAL :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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